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My personal sign is when you start seeing awkward collaborations start cropping up. One time when I was thrifting, I picked up a graphic novel that had the Justice League, team with the Power Rangers of all things. I glimpsed into what the plot was about out of morbid curiosity and it was just a plain generic time and dimension thing.

Nothing ever connected between the teams at all. DC Comics, while fledgling at times with how they go about their series and movies, still have far more relevance than Power Rangers do. I think the Power Rangers are just grasping at straws to keep being relevant when people have largely moved on from them.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sometimes you realize that the main story arc keeps finding new reasons to continue, after lots of surprise twists and turns that each give another episode. Like they finally find their killer, after a whole bunch of running around, escapes, shoot-outs, stunts, explosions, etc. but it turns out he's been working for someone else all along, and now we have to find the Boss. It will never end, and all the plot manipulation doesn't serve a better story, it just keeps us watching so we can consume advertising.

My son is always complaining that a lot of these series probably started out as a movie, but Netflix, et al, want constant "engagement," so if you want Netflix to stream your content, you better stretch it into 10 episodes, with a cliffhanger. Quality isn't important, just engagement, so a good movie concept gets beaten to death as a series.

That's why a lot of British shows are so good. They'll say right up front that this entire series is only going to be one season of 3-6 episodes, and that's it. They take as much time as they need to tell the story, then quit. They don't just keep screenplay masturbating.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Absolutely an issue for American shows. So many are built around a three season arc just trying to get on the air. Then if they make it big, they panic and have no idea what the fuck to do with season 4.

So many shows fail in season 4.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 23 hours ago

Probably the worst example is Game of Thrones. They started the show with at least the last third of it unfinished, and once that TV money started rolling in, GRRM basically lost his motivation to write.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

When it's based on a book/series and outruns the source material

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Joss Whedon is the executive producer.

[–] Sybilvane@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Walking back character development/growth.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

When the main character(s) have a baby. When that happens it’s time to go.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

They introduce a trendy sexual identity.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Shoehorning in a new main character

Shoehorning in a new main character to try to increase appeal

Shoehorning in a new main character to try to increase appeal to sell more merchandise

Shoehorning in a new main character to try to increase appeal to sell more merchandise because the higher ups made a decision to drastically change the original main character in an obvious cash grab

I'm looking at you, ya pop tart colored unicorn

[–] PillowD@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Identical twins...trapped in the basement...winning the lottery...tonight, on a very special...cousin oliver

[–] Redacted@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Changes in over or undertones. IE change in overtone being it suddenly turns into an action comedy when it was a gritty murder mystery. A change in undertone would be like if two characters that never had any romantic tension, or were canonically confirmed to not have romantic feelings for each other, suddenly were cofessing their feelings for each other.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

When the potential long-term impact of the events keeps increasing, but the actual long-term impact keeps decreasing.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Sounds like life right now

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Dude, put up a spoiler alert!

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When they have a contained shark that the main character decides to jump to keep establishing his cool.

Seriously though, when threat of the week escalates to such a degree that it becomes a potential universe calamity, it's hard to be worried about Murderer McGee stabbing 13 people to death.

[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's less of an issue in comedies, but main characters becoming Flanderised in drama series is where it becomes obvious they've run out of ideas.

For example, at the beginning of Stranger Things, Hopper had basically given up on life, and over the course of the first two seasons he finds purpose again through helping find Will, and later, raising Eleven as a surrogate daughter.... And then in season 3 he becomes ANGERY MAN WHO FIGHTS PEOPLE - and that's about it.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It runs in parallel with a show getting too many characters to handle. It accelerates the Flanderization of characters who don't have a lot to do. Stranger Things had that problem as well, with a far too bloated main cast by the end.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I’ve seen this in video games. The Trails series builds itself on slowly assembling these big Avengers teams of heroes - but each dynamic only works when there’s like 2-4 of them.

Get as far as Sky the 3rd, and you get one lead saying “It looks like this next dimension will be tougher than ever” and then some 13-odd people giving generic barks of affirmation in turn.

[–] Mesa@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For me, Will: It's when... Dustin: The characters in every scene... Max: Talk like... Steve: This.

There are too many characters, and the only way your audience can remember that half of them still exist is... Nancy: For them to start sharing lines.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, yeah, the detectives are all gathered with the Captain, briefing him on what they've discovered, and each actor has a line that offers a fact in the case, and they go around the group, and each one tosses in their fact like it was rehearsed, which it was.

In reality, they'd all pool their info, and the main guy would brief the boss, while the others watched. Or maybe they'd brief the boss in private, while everybody else did their jobs, like a real workplace.

But I've never been in a meeting where everyone chimed in one line at a time, without interrupting, arguing, stammering, shuffling through pages, etc.

[–] Mesa@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

In real life, it would go:

Nancy: Of course! We need to-

Nancy and Steve: dfoi intd foruotm thhoe...

*awkward pause

Nancy and Steve: Go ahea-

*another awkward pause

Nancy and Steve: No, you go ahe-

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Loose ends start accumulating and there comes a point where you realize there's no way they could possibly be resolved coherently in the time the series has left. I was feeling this in a big way during seasons 6 and 7 of Game of Thrones.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That pretty much sums up Lost for me. I probably watched longer than I needed to land on that conclusion, but I wanted to quit on a good point to leave the series behind.

I don't remember exactly when I quit watching, but they managed to contact a ship and they were about to be rescued. My headcanon is that they made it home to live miserably ever after. I've since learned that the show got even worse.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

I was a ready for Lost, because I remember X-Files, which was the granddaddy of bullshit plots. We all thought there was something going on with the cigarette smoking man, the dark room full of weird old men, the tar, etc. and then they admitted that they had no plan, no plot, they were just making it up as they went, none of it made any sense, and they had no idea where this was all leading. That was the end of X-Files for me, and everybody else.

So when Lost started, I got the vibe that this might be like X-Files, and I think it was, to an extent. I think they had a general idea, but they definitely hadn't written the ending first, and made their way toward it. I figured out that they were flailing somewhere around the middle of the 3rd season and bailed. When it ended, and everybody was irritated, I knew I'd made the right choice to bounce.

[–] Doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I remember watching early Lost promo videos where a very smug JJ Abrams swore blind there was a fully logical explanation for everything happening. And then a polar bear showed up. And I realised that whatever definition of "fully logical explanation" he was using probably didn't align with my own definitions of those words lol. That show was pure hype with talented actors.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

What pissed me off the most about Lost is that, very early on, I pegged onto the fact that they were naming a lot of characters after prominent social philosophers; all of whom wrote about things like inequality, the social contract, human nature, etc...

  • John Locke (John Locke, Liberty and the social contract)
  • Desmond Hume (David Hume, treatise of human nature)
  • Danielle Rousseau (Jean-Jacque Rousseau, discourse on inequality and the social contract)
  • Boone Carlyle (Thomas Carlyle, the importance of belief)
  • Juliette Burke (Edmund Burke, Philosophy of Conservatism)
  • Mikhail Bakunin (Mikhail Bakunin, Russian Anarchist)

And a few others. As they introduce these characters, they set them up in opposition to each other and I'm thinking "okay..this means something. They're trying to say something about society in a Lord of the Flies type of way.

I remember myself and a friend of mine discussing the show endlessly after each episode wondering what it all meant in that context. And then...nope...they were all just dead all this time. It meant...precisely...jack...shit.

And it couldn't have been an accident that they so many promininent social philosophers showed up. They CHOSE to name those characters that...for no other reason than a fuck-you-red-herring.

I can't even begin to describe how much that angered me. I've despised JJ Abrams ever since.

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[–] speckofrust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

It’s the pilot of a sitcom in which a goofy husband and hard nosed wife blah blah zzzzzzzzzz…..

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Depending on the kind of show it is contextual, but here's some.

If it is a tight self contained story that ends...and then more things happen. Stranger Things for example pretty much perfectly ended in season 1. There was a tiny dangling mystery regarding Eleven's fate. Such things do not need to be a sequel hook, they can simply exist to tantalize and never be expanded on. This is like if Inception 2 was made and it answered the questions about Cobb's spinning totem; it would utterly miss the point that the story was over and the ending was intentionally ambiguous.

If the actors or voice actors are simply getting too old for the part. Personally I have a good ear for animation's voice acting. It drives me absolutely crazy when I hear noticeably aged actors reprising role or continuing them as if nothing has changed. Obviously some performers can last longer than others but for example modern Simpsons is unwatchable to me entirely on the basis of the voices. Even if somehow the writing turned around I simply can't get past the voices. Similarly I could barely sit through The Incredibles 2, which supposedly picks up right as the first movie ends but all the voices are aged 14 years and I can hear it.

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

The last Simpsons season is actually fairly decent, but the obvious older voices are pretty distracting.

[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Modern Marge sounds like Julie Kavner's been fronting a death metal band for the last 30 years. Let the poor woman rest.

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[–] rimu@piefed.social 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When the characters are talking about something and say "oh this is like that time when..." and a flashback scene which is just copy and pasted from old footage is used. Then they do this 5 more times in the episode. So annoying and cheap.

[–] Lorindol@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A clipshow episode. These were used as cheap fillers when the shows still had 20+ episode seasons, if the production needed to save money this was the easiest way to do it.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

For all its other issues, Rick and Morty did this right. They had a clip show episode, but of things that had never aired. Others too, but Rick and Morty is the example that came to mind.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The actors and writers get bored and do a musical episode.

[–] agavaa@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

B-but Scrubs' musical episode was great!

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The magicians best seasons were the ones with musical episodes

[–] CathyBikesBook@piefed.zip 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Back in the 80s and 90s, it was when they added a new child character. In the 2000s, it was when they started doing weird crossovers that made no sense.

With the notable exception of Malcolm in the Middle.

Baby Jamie wasn't brought in as any way to boost audiences, but rather because the actress playing the mother was pregnant in real life and the writers decided that instead of hiding it, they'd work it into the series.

Considering the show didn't have any dips in quality throughout the saga, it's a rare situation. It's the one show I can think of where a baby was brought in and the show still felt the same (in a good way) both before and after.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

I always liked on 'Married With Children' the executive forced child character that was wedged in was gone the next season and the only acknowledgement he ever existed was his photo on a milk jug.

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