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[–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 18 hours ago

Here in my district of the Northern united states crosswalks are considered discretionary suggestions to not go out of your way to hit pedestrians.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In France, these days, you lose your license. Period. I don't know what the results have been though, but I think it's a fairly good approach.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Man I remember when they used to take away peoples licenses in the USA. Good times. It’s like the only way you can get people to recognize that it’s a privilege and not a divine right is by taking it away.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Spoken like someone never targeted by law enforcement in the US.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

It was spoken like someone who made millions of dollars selling weed. Don’t break the traffic laws. Be discreet. Be polite if you get pulled over.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

They still do, after multiple DUI’s.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Not in my state. DUI Dan is at large in Maine. We just all know to avoid him now. But he keep on going.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 18 hours ago

Or for owing money to the state for unrelated reasons.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

If you arent wealthy.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sadly my youtube algorithm suggests that people with multiple DUIs have few moral qualms about driving without a license.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

That’s probably what I’m noticing. Thanks for articulating the real problem

[–] Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

In NYC you'll get a ticket if you stop for pedestrian crossings. I got a ticket for stoping and letting a pedestrian cross the road.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 18 hours ago

The taxi drivers are dicks, they lay on the horn the second the light turns green, good luck driving a stick in that hellscape.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There is no pedestrian crossing in NYC that is not either signed or signalled, so there is zero ambiguity about when you are supposed to stop. I'm guessing you are leaving out part of the story and very curious what the actual citation was. Regardless, your first sentence is blatant misinformation, please be careful about how you phrase things.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.org 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In Illinois pedestrians ALWAYS have the right of way. So not stopping for a crosswalk is a good way to see if there's a cop lurking nearby.

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[–] AceBonobo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which law does that break?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

“Gotta fill my quota”

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago
[–] OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I was expecting this to be the "carry a brick"-trick.

[–] reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Carry a disability stick with a hard metal ball on the front. Hold it out in front of you and if they buzz you, their head lights get broken

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My answer to this question is generally "Cement, the more the better."

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 81 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

it's cute and all, but the real reason they don't stop is because the authorities aren't enforcing that law effectively. the places where people stop crosswalks do so because they'll get a ticket if they don't.

this may raise awareness, but won't change behavior in the long run.

when i lived more in the city and didn't own a car i would make hard eye contact with drivers when crossing. my logic was that if they kill me I'll at least haunt their dreams with that look.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's a very outdated view of traffic engineering and psychology. People (and animals in general) don't stop doing things in response to punishment unless they have a very high chance of expected punishment, way higher that any society could afford in case of traffic control.

If you want people to stop, you've got to build the infrastructure in a way that makes it psychologically natural to stop. Some paint on an otherwise Amercan road won't do shit. You've got to visually and physically narrow the space for drivers to make it uncomfortable or even damaging for them to pass through at unsafe speed.

That low speed is also slow enough that drivers don't feel like they're losing as much by stopping, making them feel like stopping for pedestrians is a lot more fair.

Look at Dutch traffic engineering standards for pedestrian crossings. They're a car-centric country that puts a lot of effort into getting cars everywhere in a relatively safe way.

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[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 2 days ago (3 children)

You can do the same thing without cops more cheaply in the long run. Just raising the crosswalks to sidewalk height completely changes driver behavior, as it's both a speed bump, and it's clearly communicated that the crosswalk is the pedestrians' territory that the driver is crossing through.

We can deal with most of these issue through design rather than a threat of fines.

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[–] pemptago@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not convinced it's all about enforcement. In Portland, Oregon, there's not much threat of enforcement but cars stop at the slightest hint of a pedestrian crossing anywhere. Not sure how they pulled it off but there it's a culture thing, not enforcement.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Here in Denmark I can basically just jump in front of a moving car on a crosswalk (one without traffic lights) and if the car so much as touches me they risk losing their driver's licence.

I know The Netherlands is the same like that. Not sure about other EU countries.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The French will try to run you over, and the Italians actively speed up when they see a pedestrian.

In the UK you actually do have to stop and people do even Audi drivers stop sometimes.

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

even Audi drivers stop sometimes.

This sounds outlandish, I'm not sure I believe you. What about BMW drivers? Don't tell me even they stop for pedestrians?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

BMW's in the uk are more like Hondas in the US, they're EVERYWHERE :)

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago

Oh huh, they're more like Audis here in Finland

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Outlandish is the idea of them using their turn signal.

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Using the turn signal is giving information to the enemy", every Audi and BMW driver ever.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 161 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I can already hear the carbrainrotten screaming "But thats dangerous, what if i run into it" as if the danger wasnt their own fault for going too fast and not yielding.

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