I was speaking with someone about how at around age 40 to 50 you stop caring so much. Let them be "right". It doesn't affect me.
Also, I hope my dad enjoyed it. He deserved some good sex.
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We just finished up, your dad looks satisfied
I liked the bit in the 3001 space Odyssey (the one where they unfreeze Frank and his lack of a foreskin gets him ghosted)
"Nowadays everyone's either a deist or a theist. The theists believe there's at least one god and the deists believe there's less than or exactly one god."
What reddit atheists and online atheists in general dont understand is that you simply cannot win an argument with someone who isnt willing to listen to reason and doesnt want to argue on the basis of actual facts. Its like trying to win an argument against a reactionary, you can try as hard as you want but at the end of the day they're just gonna respond with "nuh uh" because they arent interested in a genuine discussion.
I'm not necessarily trying to convince them, though. I might be trying to convince somebody else who might come along and read the debate we're having. My opinion has been swayed on numerous issues by arguments I read on reddit and other websites which I took no part in. In fact, it's easier to sway third parties, because they don't have to worry about their ego the way an interlocutor does.
I prefer to cultivate an actively painful to read style and just inflict that on them you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themsrlvesinto
The annoying thing about reddit/lemmy atheists is all they talk about is church and god.
No, the annoying thing is that they all talk about religion as if all religion is evangelical Christianity. They think that it makes them look impartial or something, but it just makes them look ignorant.
It's why despite being definitionally anti-theist, I almost never talk about it. I didn't even intend for this post to be about religion, but about moving past the urge to be an annoying debate lord. Once you realize that the winning strategy for debates is to have a troll mindset, you waste a lot less time on fruitless conversations.
A troll doesn’t win the debate, trolls kill debates
Sure but you cant win a debate with someone who has the power of blind faith and confirmation bias, they will never question their beliefs and look for ways to justify them.
No, I don’t, but that’s probably because you don’t know I am
I’ve found that distancing yourself from the debate emotionally and being playful about it (like in op pic) works best. If you feel like there’s a lot riding on it, you’ll lose yourself in the debate.
If you approach it like it doesn’t matter (because guess what, in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn’t) you’re free as a bird to make a case and move on.
IMO the most important part of learning fallacies is not to call them by name while debating. It's to smell the bullshit from a distance. Both in the others' reasoning and your own.
That's what those Reddit kids are missing. This shit is not an "I won!" card. It's a reasoning framework.
(Sometimes I do still call them out by name. But that's usually a sign I'm already losing my patience with the muppet in question, and considering to block them [online] / turn 180° [offline] while saying "I'm not wasting my time further with you and your dumb shit".
I don't debate religion any more, though; unlike in my later teens + early twenties. Zealots get mentally tagged "irrational harmful avoid", and the sort of person who believes with the brain but not the liver isn't usually a problem.)
i call out specific logical fallacies when my dad is going off on some bullshit and i want him to set aside his gen x jaded cynicism and actually listen to what I have to say. usually works pretty well but thats because he has critical thinking skills, which one would expect to be a prerequisite for a debate or even a stimulating dicussion but oh well.
I feel like, if anyone calls out a fallacy and acts like it's an "I won" card, you should just pull out the Fallacy Fallacy and uno reverse that shit. Then fuck their dad as a victory lap.
To go a step further, arguments are healthier if they're pictured as a way to field test your beliefs to see if they hold up to scrutiny.
If you go into an argument trying to get the other person to change their mind, you'll often be met with failure even if your points were valid simply because people hate changing their mind, and you don't want to be tempted to use bad-faith arguments of your own just to secure that "win."
Instead, just give your argument; if the other person has a good point, see if yours can hold up to it, and change your outlook if you find that it can't. And if it feels like the other person is just saying whatever they think will "win," leave, because their argument wouldn't make a good field test anyway.
My personal preference is to always respond first in good faith, even if the shit clearly stinks. Sometimes they just worded things poorly or misunderstood something. However, if their stench becomes apparent, it's then much easier to humiliate them and dip by the second response.
Yes, I understand that you have a very compelling argument, but have you considered the fact that I banged your dad ?
yes, but I banged both your parents and every one of your friends, so I can't complain
Calling out fallacies isn't done for the benefit of the muppet. It's done for the benefit of onlookers who might otherwise fall for the muppet's bullshit.
the sort of person who believes with the brain but not the liver
Meaning that they’re less likely to spit bile in their defense of religion, or is this a reference to some religious belief?
"No, you're dumb. I refuse to elaborate" is my go-to when someone tries to impose their faith onto me now.
If they really insist and I want to lose some time, I tell them I believe Goku is god and make them dismount my argument. Then I use their own points to dismount their god and they usually get pissed because "it's not the same thing".
The universe was created when Goku wished for it with the dragon balls. The sole purpose of the universe is to create a champion strong enough to give Goku a decent fight.
Oh my Goku, you are right
Valid, I accept the Church of Dragonballs
goku was of course created by the flying spaghetti monster, glory to his noodlyness
Nu-uh. The flying spaghetti monster was created by someone's wish to the dragon balls. They wished for a being capable of defeating goku in a martial arts tournament but the combat was deemed too dangerous for the universe's existence so it never happened. Now both exist, aware of each other, and keeping their distance to each other (although having a healthy friendship through mail) so they keep the universe whole.
Schisms already smh
This is heresy of the highest order, may your noodles be overcooked and your sauces watery.
Mate, I'm half italian, I'm immune to that shitty curse. We're unable to overcook pasta (but don't you fucking dare to break spaghetti in front of me or we'll have a problem).
You are wrong, I refuse to elaborate.
Go ahead, do tell me where they at tho
at your dad's place, duh!
You say this, but have you gone through 20 Lemmy accounts for this? Lemmy ain't as open as y'all think.
