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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I actually don't know why people get so hung up on this. When you are making energy it's easiest to make heat, and boiling water through a turbine is a really efficient way to turn heat into motion and we're really good at doing it and turning motion into electricity. The fact that multiple ways of making heat exist is not surprising, the fact that different methods of making heat use the same, most efficient, well understood method for turning heat into electricity is even less surprising.

If we develop a more efficient way to turn heat into electricity it won't be "a new way to make energy" it will be "a new more efficient heat engine"

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

The problem is there’s an upper limit on how much useful energy you can extract from a heat engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_cycle

1 - Tc/Th

The only 100% efficient heat exchanger has a cold side at absolute zero.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 20 hours ago

AND that can maintain absolute Zero on that cold side. Getting heat to leave into the void at those temps is a battle

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Because it feels archaic and inefficient, maybe?

We also have developed solar panels, wind turbines, hydro-electric dams as well as tidal/wave energy devices in the intervening years - so adding another method to boil water just feels “outdated”.

I’m not trying to cast judgement myself, just trying to explain that it feels like it’s just “vibes based”.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 5 points 17 hours ago

Three of your four examples are already outputting mechanical energy of motion so don't need the intervening conversion step provided by steam.

[–] rain_enjoyer@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago

Take a look at a modern supercritical steam turbine, this thing can run on 600C steam. there's nothing archaic about it (it can be more efficient as a part of combined cycle)

Hydropower and windmills are older than steam

[–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had an idea for a dumb Star Trek meme, based on the episode where they explain how Romulan warp drives work, but extrapolating that to "it boils water and spins a turbine". Maybe one of the Star Trek memers can take this and run with it?

[–] Tiral@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

You mean black holes as a power source?

Will technically in Balance of Terror in ToS they were using fusion drives still. They vented excess plasma and wraponized it.

[–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, the black hole one. Like, they use the heat generated by the black hole to boil water, spin thingy. Super dumb, could be funny!

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 81 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The idea .....

Send water on a 150 million kilometer pipeline to the sun to super heat it ... then pipe the steam back to power a turbine

[–] nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] lime@feddit.nu 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know why you made me laugh so much, thanks for that post.

I think it's because it turns the concept into something so low tech and banal

[–] lime@feddit.nu 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

right? like a potato gun for space

[–] BonsaiBoo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You just described every rocket ever made by man.

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There could be a whole industry of Dyson Dudes that run back and forth with the tubes

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Dyson Straw.

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

this is just the inverse of concentrated solar. you bring the pipe closer to the light rather than bringing the light closer to the pipe.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 points 21 hours ago

You're not invited to the team building the Solar Dyson Tube Project

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

new idea, we bring the sun closer to the Earth, run everything on boiling rock.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What if the pipeline already existed... But it was made of light

[–] JoShmoe@ani.social 12 points 1 day ago

Shut up science

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[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nuclear power is just steampunk with magic rocks.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Too spicy for Ukraine, circa 1986.

3.6M Scoville. Not great, not terrible

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[–] cornshark@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's the original comic?

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 36 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm an EE by schooling and I've worked in both gas turbine and wind power. Photovoltaics blow my fucking mind. Everything else is just spinning magnets to extract power. PVs are insanely cool

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 5 points 1 day ago

Personally, I like the mirror plants that use the suns energy to superheat salt.

And then use that to boil water. /s

For real, what China is doing with PVs is pretty fucking cool.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Take a look at reverse electro-dialysis.

It's pushing thermal energy into electricity directly by the force of entropy.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] marcos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Entropy is maximized by turning heat into electricity, so electricity appears on the device, as it gets cooler (by a tiny amount).

EDIT: I just noticed that you may be asking about the "reverse electro-dialysis" part :)

It's a process where fresh and salty water enter a machine, and they get mixed while generating electricity. It's the reverse of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrodialysis

That runs on the same conceptual machine.

(And oh, looks like it's written together.)

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's a super rad tech! A bit pricey but a neat renewable that almost generates opposite to solar in a way, in that if it's raining you're getting some energy in the form of fresh water

Can you ELI10 an intuitive explanation on why the salinity gradient provides energy? It doesn't make intuitive sense to me and never has. Like why is fresh water mixing with salt water energy positive?

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

why the salinity gradient provides energy?

It doesn't. It's the thermal energy that is converted to electricity.

The salinity gradient provides an entropy dump. The dialysis machine is built in a way that the only possible way for that entropy to increase is by generating some electricity.

[–] rain_enjoyer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

when you dissolve salt in water, then salt splits into ions and each can hold up specific number of water molecules, which means that this water can't do water things. so on top of salt's physical presence, there's a fraction of water that can't water, or salt water is less watery in a sense than fresh water. now it turns out, if you put a membrane between these two that allows water through but not salt, water goes to higher salinity on its own, because it's less watery there. how hard it happens is quantified as osmotic pressure and it can be in tens of atmospheres. reverse electrodialysis is just a clever arrangement that avoids energy recovery from low volume of high pressure liquid, like how reverse of reverse osmosis would work

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your name makes me think you're about to lather your own naked body in vasoline, and hide inside the couch.

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

I'm known to lather a bit, as a treat.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

"I have an idea for a comic!"

"Is it you getting angry and sulking on the couch?"

[–] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] Klox@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] 5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago (6 children)

No, wind is spinning magnets. Everything except photovoltaics and fuel cells is spinning magnets. (Everything with boiling water is also spinning magnets)

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[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The new supercritical CO2 generators are pretty cool. Pretty much the same thing but no water!

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[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Well when you invent a new way to convert rotational energy into multi-phase AC please let us all know

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[–] Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Boil water and spin magnets

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