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[–] gjoel@programming.dev 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Isn't that usually how infestations work though?

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Humans infest shark habitats. You don't see sharks coming into your gated community, do you?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

Would be a rad way to thin out the herd of xenophobic rich people, though 🤔

[–] gjoel@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, sharks rarely infest gated communities. The point was that infestations usually consist of animals that live in the place they are undesired.

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

No, the point is that indigenous populations are not infesting their own natural habitats.

For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did.

[–] gjoel@programming.dev 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a different point though. If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true.

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true.

But the post is about sharks in the ocean. It is their natural habitat, they live there, but because they're sometimes inconvenient to humans, humans sometimes use the phrase "shark-infested waters", which can be damaging because it frames disrupting the ecosystem as some kind of defensive act.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And my point was it's the humans that don't belong and cause damage and yet there have been humans infesting the oceans since time immemorial and it's only getting worse.

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

Right, I agree with you. I was responding to gjoel's comments.

[–] bobo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did.

Do you imagine the various indigenous populations of Americas popped out of the ground like mushrooms? They're pretty far from their "natural habitat" in the plains of sub-saharan Africa... Or is that too far back in history and their "natural habitat" is in Siberia and Polynesia?

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

It's not that they came from nowhere, but rather that they aren't pests. Invaders slaughtered them and colonized the country, and in modern times are actively destroying ecosystems and the environment.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Yes the white folks came and made a mess of the place. Which, if sharks chose to move into your house, they would also do. Probably leave the taps running all over the place too

[–] gjoel@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

So the right phrasing would be "no, it's their natural habitat", not "no, they live there", since, and this was my point if you go back, if an animal infests something it usually lives there, making the point in the post redundant.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

A zoo is a gated community

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Damn snobbish animals living in gated communities.

[–] gjoel@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And sharks regularly infest zoos?

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago

Wouldn't you if you were a shark? It's a whole smörgåsbord

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Valid point. Although that's without their consent, whereas most humans infesting the ocean are choosing to remain there, USS Abraham Lincoln sailors notwithstanding.

[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Aren't infestations about something that wasn't there before and doesn't actually belong there?

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

No, it is about their presence being wanted or not. I don't want to go to a swamp because is infested with mosquitoes for example, mosquitoes were always there.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infestation
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infest

[–] credo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I saw both links pop up as well. I opted to go with the first, standard, book— webster’s instead of cherry picking.

The problem is, both meanings are correct. However, the “troublesome” definition is primary.. and look at the example given:

1 to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner

shark-infested waters

2 to live in or on as a parasite

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[–] SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Human infested cities. Cat infested cafés. Cattle infested farms.

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Humans infested every place including oceans honestly

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm taking this far too seriously for a meme, but I already looked it up out of curiosity so ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

To inhabit a place in unpleasantly large numbers; to plague, harass.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/infest

Interestingly (at least to me) it looks like it's related to "manifest'.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ah so i can say "human infested planet" then

[–] Uli@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago

"Welcome to my me-infested home."

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[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Puts a new spin on Manifest Destiny.

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

One man's infestation is another man's colonisation.

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Actually marinas like the one pictured or "canal estates" often create environments that become "infested" with pests and predators. Some of which for example contain bull sharks in plague proportions. Yes sharks live in the ocean but anyone living next to a canal teaming with them would conclude that there is an "investation".

Bull sharks are unique in that they can somehow retain salt from ocean / salt / brackish water which allows them to operate in fresh water. They're also more aggressive than other species, or perhaps just more likely to grab at movement in murky river water.

I remember watching a documentary suggesting that bull shark attacks might have been the inspiration for the Jaws series, after a spate of attacks in estuaries in the US in the years prior.

Jeremy Wade on River Monsters TV series also had an episode about them.

I just watched a movie last week where these people where exploring a freshwater cave and then became trapped by a shark. I thought it was some stupid movie detail, didn't know it might actually be possible.

[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 14 points 1 week ago

We also kill millions of sharks per year, while they're responsible for maybe 10 human deaths per year (worldwide).

[–] Danarchy@lemmy.nz 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is why festivals are called that all teeming with wretched humans and their various parasites

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Infest-ivals?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

infest verb in·​fest in-ˈfest infested; infesting; infests Synonyms of infest transitive verb

1 : to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner shark-infested waters

2 : to live in or on as a parasite

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Oktober-fest;

1 : to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner buxom-waitress-in traditional-dress infested waters

2 : to live in or on as a completely smashed parasite

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Shut up! Germans just live there!

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's just their lebensraum, nothing to be concerned about at all.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Shut up! Termites just live there!

[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

On a related note, the “Cities” episode of Planet Earth is an interesting one. Human cities are the fastest growing ecosystem on Earth, so why wouldn’t our fellow planetary inhabitants want to take our shit when we’ve been taking theirs?

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

Eh, we see lots of people infested places and they can also live there. The two things can both be true. (Granted the number of sharks needed for this title is a bit low).

[–] judgy_jackdaw@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

then what does ever infest anything

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Bedbugs, human habitations.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Bro, the way I'm infesting my pants right now...

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