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[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 134 points 1 month ago (7 children)

SMS uses cellular, WhatsApp uses internet. Internet connects you anywhere with one flat rate, cellular may charge extra per message or for international communication.

Signal is better, but everyone's grandmother is already on WhatsApp and good luck getting them to switch

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Back at the turn of the century text messages were exorbitantly priced

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Which is crazy because it literally uses spare bandwidth they didn't use (other than for the clock updates and other housekeeping) and the amount of data used is infinitesimal compared to voice or other data.

This is why it was free at first as it didn't cost the carrier anything more. This changed quickly when they figured they could charge for it with rates going as high as 20 cents per message in the US. This lead to crazy bills like $5,000.

https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/they-say-talk-is-cheapbut-a-teenagers-cell-phone-bill-is-almost-5000/83-402630313

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I remember having only 200 SMS per month and having to ration them carefully because the plans were structured in a way where ordering more resulted in a big price jump.

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[–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I keep hoping with this anti-American Big Tech push that Europe and other places are doing they'll get off Meta products. But I'm also not holding my breath.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 month ago

I work at a company that I strongly suspect had a very serious security breach because of Whatsapp.

During the outage, we were back to SMS and direct phone calling only. After the system was restored, back to how everything was before, caution be damned, lessons not learned.

It's not bad enough to have that invasive application as the default means of passing information around (messages, photos, video and even audio, of all things!) on work phones, office personel has it paired to their computers, where highly sensitive programs and data is stored.

[–] Pamasich@kbin.earth 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

SMS uses cellular, WhatsApp uses internet.

I think that's why OP asked about RCS as well, which is also internet but built into SMS apps.

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[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 65 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Because when Whatsapp was born, SMS were paid (and not cheaply). In my country, sending one SMS cost 0.19€ at the time and didn't allow pics to be send. Meanwhile, with 10€ I could have 1-2GB of data that allowed for tens of thousands of messages to be sent while on mobile data and unlimited messages while I was on a wifi connection.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 25 points 1 month ago (6 children)

WhatsApp was also an independent company and worked really well compared with other apps. I remember checking alternatives like... 5 years ago and no other app was able to do video calls reliably. Since then Signal caught up and works great now but everyone is already on WhatsApp. EU was working interoperability requirements. That's pretty much the only way to escape WhatsApp now.

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[–] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 60 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Because sending a message with data was cheaper than the cost of sending one SMS. And it was free on WiFi.

That's why WhatsApp took off.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Some countries like mine have free whatsapp even if we run out of common-mobile-internet-points (packages?)

[–] xavier666@lemmy.umucat.day 4 points 1 month ago

Plus network effect of WhatsApp is pretty strong

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[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 1 month ago

Others are mentioning price per message, but also important to remember that in the 2000-2010s outside of the United States, when traveling from country to country, you usually had to get a local SIM card for a provider in that country, During your vacation, you'd have a new number for a month when no one could contact you over normal text messages which was a problem. WhatsApp became popular so you could keep chatting with friends abroad even if your phone's SIM card changed during your vacation.

Since most people from the United States don't travel outside the country, and vacation time is rather limited, this wasn't a problem for them, but for the rest of the world, a solution was needed that removed the cell carrier from the equation.

[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It's not such a mystery. WhatsApp came out in 2009. RCS would not be rolled out widely on Android until 2019. RCS was not implemented properly on iOS until literally a month or so ago.

Therefore its competition has been SMS mainly, which it is directly better than in every way. SMS is not encrypted. WhatsApp is. SMS (technically MMS) heavily compresses pictures & video. SMS splits up long blocks of text into multiple texts, which may or may not come in the correct order. SMS used to be limited in cell phone plans around the time of WhatsApp's release, and STILL is in some parts of the world. SMS requires a consistent cell signal which requires a paid monthly subscription, WhatsApp only requires internet. Sometimes it is easier to find public Wi-Fi than a good cell signal in some places, and it was a popular thing for some teenagers to get an iPod touch or parent's old phone and only be able to use it with Wi-Fi. Then there are stickers & video chat.

People got used to it being the best for at least a decade, and don't want to switch. Even nowadays, RCS is nearly as closed a standard as WhatsApp being limited to an app. You have to use Google Messages or iMessage specifically. In Apple's case, your messages aren't encrypted on their servers unless you specifically request it, and they hold the keys. I suspect Google is the same, despite what they say. And RCS still is routed through your carrier and the receiver's carrier, who have varying policies.

Of course, WhatsApp doesn't have zero access encryption for their servers either, and they're ran by Meta, so it's nearly a lateral move at this point. The real solution is a better WhatsApp replacement like Signal. Signal is making progress but it takes time.

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One thing you missed... WhatsApp took off BEFORE facebook (now meta) bought it. So it had a huge network effect while it was independent.

[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Exactly, and they've been uncharacteristically quiet about it. You have to dig through settings for an option to link it to Facebook or Instagram, and I've never got a notification prompting me to. They've been hesitant to roll out enshittification too, so most people don't see a reason to move. Which is why I still haven't gotten rid of it. I can't force everyone at once.

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[–] rapchee@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

what progress does signal need? or you mean in adaptation?

[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah, social adoption mostly. Not needing a phone number would be cool too, but functionality & security/privacy is pretty great. The only thing that could improve it is being decentralized like Matrix, but Signal is more functional as of now so I don't recommend Matrix as much to people. Signal takes 2 seconds to set up & is visually familiar.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because SMS sucks, always has, for many reasons

Give me a federated XMPP based messenger with all the same features as WhatsApp and then... Well, I'll install it but I still wouldn't use it because nobody is using it

That is the core of the matter: everybody uses WhatsApp because everybody uses WhatsApp

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[–] Steve 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Wile SMS in the US went free relatively early on, much of the rest of the world continued to charge for every individual SMS message. So data based instant messaging apps became very popular everywhere in the world that's not the US.

[–] jaygray91@piefed.zip 9 points 1 month ago

Basically this. tl;dr: being free and being first exposure to mobile instant messenger.

in my south east Asian country, back then we did have bundle sms pricing, buy when the mobile internet infrastructure was getting big money from governments, WhatsApp came in at the right moment. advertising them being free (with a minimal $1 or something lifetime fee nobody bothered to pay for) and can do texting and sending images for free. compared to paying bundled prices for sms and MMS, it's just a no-brainer.

[–] mangobanana@discuss.online 25 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I hate WhatsApp for no other reason than it's a Facebook product.

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[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

SMS is insecure as hell, RCS suffered from issues between Apple and Google, both were limited for a long time by Telecoms and priced too high after reaching your allowance (i remember my first mobile contract having a whooping 10 SMS/month included). The amount of data messenger apps use is negligible even with pretty low data limits as long as you are not attaching whole movies.

I personally only use Signal - i have removed all Meta products from my life. If someone without Signal wants to contact me, they can use snail mail, i really don't care - i won't sacrifice my privacy for the convenience of others.

[–] notgold@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago

I've got through to some mates but some cunts just don't care about their privacy and ruining yours. Signal is great but sadly United states of shitsville owned so I'm moving away

[–] gezero@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] the_q@piefed.social 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

WhatsApp has been around for a few minutes more than Signal.

[–] scrion@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not really, no. Signal was released more or less exactly a year later than WhatsApp (May 2010 vs May 2009), which, if you look at the 17 years since then, doesn't really matter that much.

However, broad adoption rates in messaging apps are typically achieved by e. g. funny emoji sets vs. encryption, and the early versions of Signal were pretty barebone.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe I should have said “what’s app gained popularity earlier”

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Also “WhatsApp’s business model made it marginally easier to use because they don’t care about privacy”

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago

Consumers, like voters, are stupid and hold a lot of things more important than values and morals.

[–] kepix@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

cause whatsapp is older than rcs, and costs zero unlike sms

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago

RCS is not yet working on my carrier here in Sweden.

And since most people are already using alternative messaging apps, no one really cares.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've had SMS messages read to me by a third party, not a cop. I've had transcripts of 'private' cell calls read back to me by a third party, not a cop.

I survived the entire lifetime of skype without having the same, and I guess I hope the same happens with whatsapp.

[–] RecursiveParadox@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago

Could you share more about this, safely?

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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

WhatsApp is free (or was it a low-cost one-time purchase? haven't used Google Play in a long time), SMS tends to cost money.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is my understanding. WhatsApp took off at a time and in places where SMS was expensive. Because WhatsApp used data, they could keep data usage low and allow people to message almost for free.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

The question is historical but posed as a tech choice. Convenience is the answer now.

[–] TBi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was, one of, the first widespread free global messaging services.

So became default for most.

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