this post was submitted on 09 May 2024
224 points (91.2% liked)

News

23311 readers
4415 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

The position as an at-large delegate for the Florida Republican Party will be the highest-profile political role thus far for Barron, former President Donald Trump's youngest son.

It will soon be Barron Trump’s time to step into the political spotlight.

Trump, former President Donald Trump’s youngest child, who will graduate from high school next week and has largely been kept out of the political spotlight, was picked by the Republican Party of Florida on Wednesday night as one of the state’s at-large delegates to the Republican National Convention, according to a list of delegates obtained by NBC News.

...

In a family full of politically involved children, Barron Trump, who turned 18 in March, has retained much more of a private life than his older brothers, Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr., both of whom will also be Florida at-large RNC delegates, along with Trump’s daughter Tiffany.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 181 points 6 months ago (2 children)

“We have a great delegation of grassroots leaders, elected officials and even Trump family members,” Florida GOP chairman Evan Power said.

This is absolutely disgusting. What a bunch of cucks.

Your founding fathers would be sick.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

Your founding fathers would be sick.

No, actually I'm pretty sure the guys who only wanted white, land-owning men to vote would probably be okay with this.

I mean, they purposefully designed this system to be broken and easily corruptible to begin with. Many of them owned slaves and had zero issues with slave ownership. Pretty sure Jefferson fucked a bunch of his slaves and had kids with them that grew up as slaves, too.

Let's stop pretending they didn't know what they were doing. They knew exactly what they were doing. This system was set up like this on purpose.

This land was populated by people who "escaped" Europe because of "religious persecution" which actually meant Europe was getting all progressive and deeply philosophical so you couldn't just shove your bullshit religion down other people's throats anymore with impunity.

Are we really shocked this is the very kind of people who populate the USA today? Let's stop pretending the founding fathers were any better, or that they didn't make the constitution easily corruptible on purpose so they could hold on to their positions in society.

The reverence we give for these mere mortal men, who were as corruptible as any, is fucking absurd. Stop placing these dickweeds on a pedestal.

[–] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 48 points 6 months ago (30 children)

Not that I don't agree with the general sentiment, or want to condone slave-owning in any way, but Thomas Jefferson only had children with one of his slaves, and from the historical record it appears to have been a consensual romantic relationship, insofar as one can have one with such a vast power difference (you cannot, really). He did oppose slavery privately, however he owned slaves, himself. Although, again from the record, it appears that they were more a part of his household, and treated (relatively) well, rather than how we typically imagine slaves in the South. Again, still not right, but compared to his contemporaries, you would call Jefferson a good owner. Still fucked up to say. A further disappointing fact is that, despite the fact that he deemed slavery reprehensible, he also deemed it to be political suicide to try to change the status quo. He brought the issue up a few times during his very long political career, but quickly abandoned the efforts. Additionally troubling is that, like many other in opposition to slavery at the time, he thought the solution was to ship black people to an island in the Caribbean so that they could form their own nation. This was not an uncommon opinion during that era -- I believe even Lincoln bought into this "solution," at one point. Also fucked up, but somehow better than the at-the-time alternative of continuing slavery.

Anyways, I don't mean to undermine your point that many of the individuals who established this country did so with the idea that black and brown people, women, and the lower-class, were less-than, and established it in such a way that made it difficult or impossible for them to participate. However, I think your specific examples aren't super accurate, and since I just read a pretty fair biography of Jefferson recently called Jefferson: Architect of American Liberty by John B Boles, I figured I would chime in. Really interesting and very much puts a great (in terms of historical stature) and flawed (in terms of our modern sense of morals) man in the context of his time and place.

load more comments (30 replies)
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 34 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Many of them owned slaves and had zero issues with slave ownership.

Three of the seven Founding Fathers were slave-owners.

One was restricted by law from freeing them due to the massive debts he ran up funding the Revolution (Washington) but came to believe that slavery was an unambiguous evil by the end of his life, making plans to free his slaves lawfully (which is a bit of a dick move considering the state of the law at the time, but 'we are creatures of habit, not originality').

One was a dickhead, but one who thought slavery was bad and should die out (Jefferson).

Only one was an unrepentant slaver (Madison).

The other four were staunch abolitionists.

This land was populated by people who “escaped” Europe because of “religious persecution” which actually meant Europe was getting all progressive and deeply philosophical so you couldn’t just shove your bullshit religion down other people’s throats anymore with impunity.

That was true for the Puritans who founded Mass and Connecticut. But for most of what would become the US, the exact opposite was the truth. Europe quite explicitly was NOT progressive and deeply philosophical about religion at the time - the Puritans on the Mayflower were fleeing, specifically, the Netherlands, which was a rare bastion of religious tolerance in Europe. Maryland was founded as a refuge for Catholics where all Trinitarians would have equal rights - far more radical than most of Europe. Pennsylvania was explicitly founded on religious tolerance by a Quaker. Rhode Island instituted freedom for non-Trinitarian Christians in the 17th century. European Jews fled to New York (after it was no longer New Amsterdam) specifically BECAUSE it was more tolerant than Europe. New Jersey, North Carolina, and South Carolina were religiously diverse from the outset.

Most of the Founding Fathers were deists or highly deist influenced, and all believed in freedom of religion.

Hagiography of the early days of America is dumb. But demonization doesn't provide a clear view simply by being the reverse.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

They designed it to be amended constantly. And it used to be.

[–] HoustonHenry@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago (16 children)

While I agree, I also see the other guys POV...the Founding Fathers wanting to break from kings and royal lines, while Trump&Fam look like their doing their best to start a royal family of America (I'll be damned before that ever happens)

load more comments (16 replies)
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think another important consideration is that the founding fathers were no more unified than today's political leaders. We talk about how divisive the tone of discourse has become, but those old guys knew how to sling mud. They had intense disagreements about how to build the country, and no single design or designer had enough influence to get exactly what he wanted. When people start a sentence like "The founding fathers never wanted..." some probably did. They imagined all kinds of scenarios and eventualities. Some of them were fascists, some of them were abolitionists, some of them were hedonists, some of them were religious zealots. There weren't many issues where all of the founders were of one mind, if any existed.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

They had intense disagreements about how to build the country, and no single design or designer had enough influence to get exactly what he wanted.

The difference is they were willing to give-and-take to eventually come to a mutually tolerable compromise solution.

Contrast that with today's "if you are from the other party, I will thwart you even if it is a good idea"

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/ch01.htm

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 75 points 6 months ago (3 children)

He had the chance to be left alone and most everyone out there was honoring that because he was a kid and wasn’t involved in politics…. Hope he realizes what he’s about to open himself up to.

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, he's fair game now. He could have been like that one Trump daughter whose name I forget because she's entirely out of the spotlight, but no, he wants to join the family grift.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Hope he realizes what he’s about to open himself up to.

He has set himself up for ridicule for the rest of his life now. Historians have ranked Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump as the worst president in US history. And they will still rank him as worst president 50 years from now when Barron is 68, and the first thing any student learns about Trump is that he tried to overthrow democracy.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2024/02/19/presidential-greatness-survey-2024-trump-biden/9601708357197/

[Historians rank Trump worst president in history]

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 64 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Gross. We need to reject all aristocracy. Stop this shit show in its tracks.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Conservatism literally began as an attempt to "conserve" aristocracy in the face of democracy.

So you stop conservatism, you stop aristocracy.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The Adams, Roosevelts, and Bushes: "Are we a joke to you?"

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 57 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He looks like a guess who card.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 50 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I'm not going to make fun of him or his father for wearing makeup, men are allowed to wear makeup.

But I will make fun of him and his father for wearing makeup so poorly.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

You can when he runs on a platform of hatred of men who wear makeup.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 50 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The shit apple doesn't fall from the shit tree

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 21 points 6 months ago

The turd doesn’t fall far from the asshole

[–] Delusional@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Yeah I was hoping at least one of his children would be able to see the man for who he is and stay far away from that giant piece of shit. Oh well.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Why does he appear embalmed in the thumbnail?

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's just how Trump boys look.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 38 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I wonder how often they think "Man, I could've just been a normal rich snobby person doing whatever I want, and instead I get this..."

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago

They probably see the actual value of assets, and realize that unless they start in the grift they won't have anything when the head inevitably kicks the bucket.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Like I said recently, he's 18 now. I'm sure he's well on his way to becoming just like the rest of the men in his family

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just gonna point out the obvious here and say... that this kid has no skills or experience with which to do whatever "at-large delegates" do.

[–] birthday_attack@lemm.ee 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, my understanding of delegates is that they are basically a political "cookie" that the party hands out as a reward to certain people. Their job is just to cast the official elector votes for the presidential election, and their hands are usually tied into voting to reflect the popular state vote tallies (ignoring Trump's recent fake electors scheme, of course). So their duties are really symbolic more than anything.

Accepting this position does insert himself into politics, though. No one can say "leave Baron out of it" after this

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

Now we can make fun of him.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The monarchy finally has an heir to the throne.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Ah yes, I can see the resemblance.

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 21 points 6 months ago

Getting really tired of this nepo shit.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago
[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

It occurs to me that he is of the age that republicans think should not be allowed to vote.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Damn, he resembles his father more than any of his siblings.

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

That's just because of all the surgery Ivanka has had. She looked like him like 30 years ago. Barron looks like if you uploaded pictures of Melania and Donald to one of those programs that would tell you what your child together would look like. I have hope yet that Barron is capable of not being a piece of shit. He'll get no hate from me until he deserves it, and honestly with parents like his I feel like I can give him a few passes while he's maybe too young to know better than to just do what he's been taught. I want so badly for him to be decent against all odds.

[–] neoman4426@fedia.io 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Like zero percent chance of this happening, but imagine the hilarity if he used this platform to just absolutely wreck the proven pieces of shit that make up the rest of his family

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Kid should just join the military or something.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

It's so worrying to see that our kids and their kids will have to deal with that little piece of shit. My only hope is the belief that every man is different as I was from my father. So as much as he looks like a concerned asshole in this photo, it could be just a facial expression fixed there for us. I've got photos of my family looking dumb, with one eye open or both closed, fixing the kids clothing, etc. And then finally the actual photo with a fake smile that is only there when I photo is coming. If you chase emotional facial expressions with a photo, you can get asshole looking expressions I'm sure.

[–] squirrelwithnut@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Jesus, he even looks like an insufferable asshat.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›