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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 239 points 5 months ago (4 children)
[–] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 42 points 5 months ago

This is so sweet.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 5 months ago

*They’re all shithole countries anyway. -T

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[–] dan@upvote.au 147 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm amused at the fact that Australia doesn't allow convicted felons to enter.

Also doesn't Trump say that USA is #1? Why would he ever want to leave?

[–] athos77@kbin.social 80 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Russia is notably not one of the countries which would disallow a convicted felon from entering.

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 14 points 5 months ago

They'll take anyone these day, especially if they join the three day special military operation. I'm sure Ukranians would love to find him in a trench.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't know about Australia, but before Australia was the destination for penal transportation from the UK, the American colonies were.

I recall reading that one of the factors that contributed to the American Revolution was that a lot of Americans wanted to be able to have some say in selecting immigrants, and didn't really want the UK dumping criminals there.

I'd imagine that Australia might have some similar ideas.

kagis

This sounds like it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convicts_in_Australia

With increasing numbers of free settlers entering New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) by the mid-1830s, opposition to the transportation of felons into the colonies grew. The most influential spokesmen were newspaper proprietors who were also members of the Independent Congregational Church such as John Fairfax in Sydney and the Reverend John West in Launceston, who argued against convicts both as competition to honest free labourers and as the source of crime and vice within the colony. Bishop Bernard Ullathorne, a Catholic prelate who had been in Australia since 1832 returned for a visit to England in 1835. While there he was called upon by the government to give evidence before a Parliamentary Commission on the evils of transportation, and at their request wrote and submitted a tract on the subject. His views in conjunction with others in the end prevailed. The anti-transportation movement was seldom concerned with the inhumanity of the system, but rather the "hated stain" it was believed to inflict on the free (non-emancipist) middle classes.

Transportation to New South Wales temporarily ended 1840 under the Order-in-Council of 22 May 1840,[28] by which time some 150,000 convicts had been sent to the colonies. The sending of convicts to Brisbane in its Moreton Bay district had ceased the previous year, and administration of Norfolk Island was later transferred to Van Diemen's Land.

Opposition to transportation was not unanimous; wealthy landowner, Benjamin Boyd, for reasons of economic self-interest, wanted to use transported convicts from Van Diemen's Land as a source of free or low-cost labour in New South Wales, particularly as shepherds.[29][30] The final transport of convicts to New South Wales occurred in 1850, with some 1,400 convicts transported between the Order-in-Council and that date.[28]

The continuation of transportation to Van Diemen's Land saw the rise of a well-coordinated anti-transportation movement, especially following a severe economic depression in the early 1840s. Transportation was temporarily suspended in 1846 but soon revived with overcrowding of British gaols and clamour for the availability of transportation as a deterrent. By the late 1840s most convicts being sent to Van Diemen's Land (plus those to Victoria) were designated as "exiles" and were free to work for pay while under sentence. In 1850 the Australasian Anti-Transportation League was formed to lobby for the permanent cessation of transportation, its aims being furthered by the commencement of the Australian gold rushes the following year. The last convict ship to be sent from England, the St. Vincent, arrived in 1853, and on 10 August Jubilee festivals in Hobart and Launceston celebrated 50 years of European settlement with the official end of transportation.

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 84 points 5 months ago

You've got to love the irony here. He complained for years that people entering at the southern border were criminals and shouldn't be allowed in and now essentially other countries are saying the same thing about him.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 83 points 5 months ago (4 children)

including canada and the UK! hahahahah

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Quick, remind me which country Trump's Aberdeenshire Golf course is in again?

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[–] mondoman712@lemmy.ml 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

As a brit I don't see this being enforced in the UK. The gov would be too scared that trump or an ally would come to power and we can't risk effecting the special welationship 👉👈

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[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 79 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Damn, a former president is banned from entering more countries than I am. That's fucking wild and make me feel slightly better about some of the places I'll never see again.

[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Which ones and why?

I sense a fun story and I'm here for it.

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 37 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Not funny at all, actually. I got a DUI a month after turning 21. Fortunately, nothing terrible happened. There are many countries that either consider a DUI a felony (Canada) or just don't want you endangering their populace (Japan). There's quite a list, but it's less than 37, lol.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

On behalf of my country, I'm sorry.

I honestly have no idea why Canada sees this as enough of a problem to prohibit you from visiting.

It's not like we don't have people here, who live here, who have DUIs. We do. Lots of them.

Honestly, while it's bad, it's not like you're coming over the border while driving under the influence. It just feels like something that should, at the very least, fall off, after a few years. Like, you get a DUI in 2020, you can't visit until 2025 or something like that.... As long as you don't get another DUI or other felony, sure, why not?

IDK. I'm just some guy, eh?

[–] stringere@leminal.space 11 points 5 months ago

IDK. I'm just some guy, eh?

Verified Canadian

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[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Damn that's a shame cause japan is fun and it's cheapish currently cause of the yen plummeting.

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

I spent six years there as a kid and experienced quite a bit. I really wanted to revisit as an adult, but that's not in the cards now. I will always cherish the memories of my time spent there, and I'm glad my parents made a point to see as much of the country, people, and culture as possible.

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[–] casmael@lemm.ee 71 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Right so can you guys please not vote for this guy now fuck my life 🤦‍♂️

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Best I can do is a historic number of people voting for him a 3rd time, still losing the popular vote and standing a decent chance at winning anyway

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

This comment made all the dopamine leave my body at once. Now I look like Voldemort in death fetus mode, except fat and hairy

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago
[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago

Unfortunately there are too many stupid Americans, sorry.

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately the verdict will do nothing to sway his supporters away from him.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 55 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Based on data from the World Population Review, here is a list of countries that do not allow convicted felons to enter:

  1. Argentina
  2. Australia
  3. Canada
  4. China
  5. Cuba
  6. India
  7. Iran
  8. Israel
  9. Japan
  10. Kenya
  11. Macau
  12. New Zealand
  13. South Africa
  14. Taiwan
  15. United Kingdom
  16. United States

The good news for Trump, is that the UAE is not on the list.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Australia? I thought it was a requirement!

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago (3 children)

So if he does leave, he can't come back?

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 38 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure it's accepted pretty universally that countries must accept citizens back. Reason being, if they don't, the rejected person becomes another country's problem, and that is bad for relations.

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's unconstitutional to deny a US citizen entry to the US. It's the same in most other countries. But it still happens in many countries; Sweden for example has had a lot of problems deporting convicted criminals to their homelands, because their homeland refuses to accept them back.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying we should take away his citizenship.

Agreed.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What citizenship? I never saw his long-form birth certificate. Clearly, he's hiding the truth that he was born on the moon. Musk should pilot Starship to take him back on a one-way trip.

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[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 46 points 5 months ago (3 children)

So, for arguments sake, he wins election. He can't enter those countries as a nations leader?

Dear God it'll be like Kristi Noem who can't enter half her state because the Indian tribes said so.

[–] ulkesh@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure diplomatic immunity is a thing that would come into play.

[–] nickhammes@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Diplomatic immunity is the inability for someone visiting as a diplomat, which would include a US president visiting another country, to be held to a crime or civil penalty, with countries welcome to expel them for abusing this. I don't think that applies.

But a US president who is also a felon could technically be denied correctly by immigration officials, but could reach out to the prime minister to get this fixed, probably in advance.

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[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

His ban status will change if he wins. Indian Prime Minister Modi was banned from traveling to US but that changed the moment he was elected as PM.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

yep. a great example is the current president of the Philippines.

Wanted by interpol for millions (billions?) in theft and such, has international arrest warrants out for him, but they couldn't touch him when he visited New York.

His mother didn't join him though, because his immunity doesn't extend that far.

[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago

Wait we don't allow people with felonies to enter? Quick! Get trump to leave the country!

I know it doesn't work that way but God would it be funny.

[–] Balthazar@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Donald Trump faces travel ban to 37 countries

That's 3 more countries than his 34 felony counts!

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[–] uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Russia, maybe he goes to Russia. Putin and Trump now have the same enemy. Free western democratic justice system.

[–] NataliePortland@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 months ago (7 children)
[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

Wait, are criminals not allowed to vote in the US?

Jesus fucking hell, that is not ok.

[–] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 42 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I think that's a rule from the 1870's mostly aimed at preventing black people from voting.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yep, in combination with "vagrancy" laws.

Here's how the scheme worked:

  1. Refuse to hire blacks for anything more than "might as well still be slavery" wages.

  2. Arrest unemployed blacks for "vagrancy."

  3. Re-enslave them (see "except as punishment for crime" clause of the 14th Amendment) and disenfranchise them as a bonus.

Edit: BTW, I highly recommend this video, which is where I learned about this (because it sure as Hell wasn't properly taught in my Georgia high school).

[–] charles@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

It depends on the state

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[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Apparently he will be able to vote as long as he doesn't go to prison. That's the state law of NY, and Florida's law is the defer to the state where the crime is.

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[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Not sure why the UK is included here - the travel ban is:

  • has been convicted of a criminal offence in the UK or overseas for which they have received a custodial sentence of 12 months or more
  • is a persistent offender who shows a particular disregard for the law
  • has committed a criminal offence, or offences, which caused serious harm

Two of those look like something for the Home Secretary to decide, and good luck expecting the Home Secretary to make any sense.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
  • is a persistent offender who shows a particular disregard for the law

Yup that one right there. Textbook example

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