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For example workplace harrasment by women towards males like touching or groping being ignored because the victim is male but if it where to happen to a woman by a male the male would be fired

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Cut bits of a girl baby's genitals: jail.

Cut bits off a boy baby's genitals: An occasion for a fucking party.

[–] x4740N@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Also to add on to this

Mothers showing pictures of their naked boys as babies, totally fine

Father's showing images of their naked daughters as babies, people go wtf

I wish people didn't show those images at all or even take them reguardless of gender

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And old men can suck on the wound.

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[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (7 children)

One that constantly comes up between me and my partner is fashion related. She is very liberal but when it comes to our relationship is the exact opposite. She buys everything from lacy thongs and g-strings to boy shorts underwear. She hates that I as a man wear thong and bikini underwear, too. I’m athletic, lift and workout 5 days a week, and get hot very easily. I like the support and minimalism of thongs for that, but she always buys me boxers which are uncomfortable and bunch up and all the extra fabric and cotton makes me hot and sweaty and chafe. When I bring up she wears thongs just do she doesn’t have panty lines and I wear them for comfort and support she doesn’t understand. She also mentioned she thinks guys wearing thongs is weird but then says it’s so “brave” when gay guys do it during pride. I once called her out and homophobic for assuming it’s a fetishized gay guys only thing and she got mad, but am I wrong?

[–] protist@mander.xyz 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're definitely not wrong. If she's willing to undermine or criticize your clothes preference after you've already told her why you like them and you don't want to change, what else is she willing to undermine?

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I feel very comfortable sharing with her, especially since I grew up in an extremely conservative area of the south and she grew up in an upper class suburb in the Bay Area in California. She knows when I’m feeling “off” because it manifests in body language she picks up on and tries to get me to share (I.e. when I’m having work or family problems) but it’s been hard to break that “men don’t share their feelings” attitude I was raised with. She actually buys me clothing that is vibrant and traditionally female brands (lulu, Madewell, etc..). That’s why I was kind of taken aback when I first started wearing my thongs around her and she was like “are those women’s panties?” Because they were brightly colored pink pair of a male thong from MeUndies. I explained they are the comfortable for support when engaging in cardio and lifting and she was like, “I don’t like seeing you in them”.

In the same way I grew up in a very conservative area and this is a unique way to express myself and enjoy feeling sexy, I think she grew up in the opposite and that’s why she was attracted to stoic, lumbering me. She has jokingly called me a “brute” in a loving way and says she is fascinated how I just “power through” manual labor for 12 hours at a time on the weekend doing projects and lifting heavy stuff around our house. I think she just has a biological urge to see me as that big protector.

Also, she always talks about how she doesn’t like muscle on guys, but since we have been together I have put on a lot of muscle and the more I put on the more she is constantly squeezing my arms and shoulders and putting her head on my chest… but she has also noticed that other women will feel my arms in public and I think she gets a little jealous

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[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago (7 children)

As a guy who's trying dating again, there's something that keeps coming up that kinda bugs me: talking to women who just put in the bare minimum of effort, expect me to carry the conversation and make all the first moves.

I don't give two shits about traditional gender roles and I'm all about subverting them. However, I think if you're in the same boat but still wanna call yourself a "passenger princess" and expect the guy to do everything, you're kind of a hypocrite.

[–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This kind of thing drives me mad.

If we both like each other, why don't we communicate like adults instead of playing some stupid game?

[–] kurcatovium@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, then there's another stupid game... "Hey hon' do I look fat in these jeans?"

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

"Positively rotund. How'd you even fit through the door to get in here? I'm amazed your shins haven't given out under the strain."

Push those """"tests"""" right back down their throats with a second hand toilet plunger.

[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago
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[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just want to let you know that you aren't alone. I have talked to a number of women who advocate for things like DEI and acceptance (which is something I also believe quite strongly in) but often default to preferring more traditional gender norms in dating. When pressed on the issue (not like I'm interrogating them just through normal conversations and getting to know them) they will inevitably say that it is ultimately "just their preference".

What I find so odd about that "preference" is if a man behaves in accordance with the traditional/societal gender norms in the beginning of the courting process, why is it surprising that they do the same thing later in the relationship when it comes to sharing emotional labor or various types of household chores?

I know the below is taking it to a bit of an extreme example but that behavior and "preference" often reminds me the sentiment "the only moral abortion is my abortion". Like I get it, there are a lot of shitty people out there who have no interest in putting in the effort, and they absolutely are not worth the time and effort, but when you do meet someone who is willing to put in that effort, it isn't really fair to treat them like all those other people.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Men are in a kind of catch-22. Women say they want one thing but their actions usually say they want the opposite.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not really. It's quite easy to understand. They generally want feminism when it benefits them, but traditional gender roles when it benefits them.

I don't blame them though, I also want things that benefit them. But it's a dick move to do it with feminism, which is supposed to mean equality.

It's not equality when they can pick and choose when to be equal.

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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've got a theory that women put more effort into dating apps than we think. It's just spread across so many more people.

[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh yeah, I've seen the other side of things through female friends. They generally have the opposite problem as men.

I'd heard about guys doing stupid shit on dating apps like sending unsolicited dick pics or just going straight for sexual stuff and figured it was maybe a "yeah it happens once in a while" kinda thing, because I'd personally never do something like that. But in fact it seems like a large portion of the interactions are just that bad.

So I can understand not putting in a lot of effort initially. Starting with small talk and making sure it's not a waste of your time. I do the exact same thing.

But even after it feels like I've started to establish a rapport with someone, the conversation still can feel incredibly one-sided. It's like, okay, at this point you're just kinda being disrespectful. And it happens over and over again.

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[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

No one calls a woman a babysitter or says she's "giving dad a break" when she's somewhere with her own children.

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 2 points 10 months ago

Domestic violence against men is usually ignored or blamed on the victim.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (12 children)

doing oppositely gendered activities.

my girlfriend can change the oil in her car and lifts weights?

cool. healthy.

i can sew my own clothes and bake?

Weird. Creepy.

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Clothes in general, I could borrow my husband's shirt and nobody would bat an eye but I'd he borrowed mine (he can't because I'm smaller, but assuming we were the same size-ish) would look strange.

I don't think groping is gonna be ignored in any workplace, in any direction.

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I've read enough accounts from both men and women to know that sexual harassment is not taken seriously at many places.

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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

In favor of men: when we get angry, people listen. When women get angry, people stop listening.

Against men: men being around children is seen as suspect. Women being around children is seen as healthy.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Dude. I was at an MLB baseball game about a year ago. It was the 6th inning. I walked into the bathroom while play is still going on. I specifically picked that time because it was the other team at bat, and not their best hitters. My logic was "nobody will be in the bathroom, but nothing will happen in the game either! I'm so smart for going to pee now!"

I walk into the bathroom. First thing I see is a row of about 20 urinals, and deadset in the middle is a 5 year old boy with his pants around his ankles. Bare ass on display. No parent in sight.

I walked in, saw that, walked right back out. Like Aberaham Simpson when he walked into the strip club and saw Bart.

I was like noooooooope. I am NOT going to be in that room when the dad comes in. Even if I'm 10 urinals away. I can wait to pee in the 7th inning, and totally abandon my amazing pee stratagy.

Last thing I need is a protective parent walking in, and asking why I'm in the room with a bare assed 5 year old. Even if nothing happened. I'll just wait an inning.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (14 children)

Well, for one, the ability to freely talk about issues specific to their gender without judgement by ~20% of the population

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I work in a company that seems to have mostly women in management roles and the area I work in has mostly women in our area as well. The things I've heard women say about men though would get any guy shit-canned within a day if he were to say anything like that about women. Women can straight-up say things like, "I hate men" or "Men are such assholes" or "What is wrong with men?" or "Guys are so stupid!" or "My husband is such a fucking idiot" or saying blatantly sexual shit about men that they have crushes on or find attractive. It's just a joke to them, like whatever. Meanwhile, if a guy were to say anything even remotely approaching to what I've heard in our office, they would be gone like nothing, there's just no tolerance for that.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not offended by women saying sexist things like that or talking sexually about guys, I don't give a shit, I've heard worse from other guys. That doesn't bother me and I'm not looking to get anybody in trouble over it, I just want tolerance from both sides. What bothers me is that men aren't afforded that same courtesy and aren't allowed to talk the same way. Women can talk shit at work all they want about men because "Fuck the patriarchy, old white men are ruining everything, etc", but whooo, if a guy says anything remotely out of line about women, they will be reported like that 🫰.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Some good examples:

  • Fat acceptance and body positivity. Obesity is glorified (even fetishized) when it's a woman, whereas obese men are shunned. Have you noticed that nobody in the fat acceptance movement is vouching for the 300lb basement dwellers?

  • Older ladies who date younger guys are called cougars, whereas if you flip the gender roles, an older man dating a younger lady half his age is going to be labelled a pedophile, even if she's of-age. Just look at at the anger surrounding Tobey Maguire (48 years old) dating a 20 year old actress. There are people who legitimately think men like him should be hunted for sport.

  • The amount of effort you have to put into your dating profile. Women have the opposite problem of being inundated with matches even with minimal effort.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The body positivity one really upsets me. A few years ago Target rearranged the clothing area. The men's area shrank and the women's is like three times are big. The women's area has all manner of plus sized models and mannequins. Nothing of the sort in the men's.

It's like, I've always known body positivity (when it comes to corporations doing it) is extremely one sided and they're only chasing profits but I'd never seen it so literally before. Target was one of my favorite places to shop for clothes.

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

Last time I checked, women were overwhelmingly likely to be granted custody over men, even when the man is a better parent.

[–] Uncle_Abbie@lemmy.today 1 points 10 months ago

One of the two presidential candidates has five children with three different partners. The coverage of that fact would be very different it it were the female.

[–] mods_mum@lemmy.today 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Dress code at work. I work in investment banking. On a hot summer day I have to wear smart shoes, black socks, long trousers, long sleeved shirt. Women can wear whatever. It's fucking horrible

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[–] RagnarokOnline@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

In dating or marriage: If a female partner criticizes on her male’s choice of outfit, it’s totally normal. If a male criticizes the choice of outfit of his female partner… a fight is imminent.

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[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

It's fairly broadly believed that strong male influences benefit a child greatly, but males are looked at with huge skepticism if they attempt to enter most forms of childcare as a profession.

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