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A controversial proposal from U.S Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to let bird flu naturally spread through poultry farms is raising alarms among scientists -- who say the move could be inhumane and dangerous.

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[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Let's not use the word "controversial" when "nobody with any qualifications would ever fucking agree with this" is more accurate. Controversial suggests a lack of consensus.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

I think just saying dumb shit to cause drama and distract from other shit they're doing

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago

The Secretary of HEALTH recommends letting a pandemic spread. Think about that for a second.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 hours ago

I am reminded of the quote "some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make".

[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

stand with rfk. americans voted trump twice into office and shows now sign of stopping their brain rott. bird flu is best that can happen. last time the facist leader was in office we had corona globally - lets just hope for a very localised (to the USA) bird flu outbreak to help the imbeciles remember 2020.

[–] YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

You go first Mr RFK Jr

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 16 points 8 hours ago

Who would have known. The russian mafia puppet government that's doing it's best impression of the New world order stereotype.. is suggesting a population cull

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 18 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Inhumane is ironic considering that the mere existence of poultry farms is inhumane. But yeah, it would be stupid, cruel and it will raise the chance of mutations that spread to other species including us.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I think they really mean it would be inhumane if you consider the problem vis-a-vis the yardstick most Americant capitalists measure their "humanity" by, ie: less dollary-doos for them.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 3 points 4 hours ago

Or maybe because it would kill people

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

It was scientists, not capitalists claiming this is inhumane.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

“The way we raise birds now, there’s not a lot of genetic variability,” Hansen said. “They’re all the same bird, basically.”

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 10 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Guess we'll have to force anyone returning from the US to stay in quarantine.

What is the stance of the department of agriculture on the bird flu?

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 26 points 13 hours ago

BND: There's a high probability that the last pandemic was caused by negligence in China.

US: Last Pandemic? Wait, hold my pisswater.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 34 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

For the unaware, this bird flu variant has about a 50/50 survival rate. It won't be like Covid.

[–] robbinhood@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago

It's a bit complicated. That survival rate primarily includes people who become severely ill and seek medical attention. Since it's the most severe cases, the case fatality rate (CFR) will appear higher.

HOWEVER, what also needs to be emphasized is that a disease with like a 10% CFR is probably a civilization (as we know it) ending disease. I believe covid 19 was between like 1-2% and we saw how it nearly broke our health care system, and that was with people more competent than RFK in charge.

If a disease emerges that spreads as easily as COVID did and with a CFR rate 3 to 4X as worse, it'd obliterate the health care system very, very quickly. Then people are going to start dying en masse from preventable diseases, like common infections, moderate injuries (e.g. broken leg) etc.

If a disease emerges that spreads as fast and far as COVID and has a 50% CFR, yeah that'd collapse most societies completely. Maybe some societies that can truly lock down and enforce social distancing, like China, could survive long enough for a vaccine or other solution to become available.

[–] Early_Insurance_3334@lemmy.ca 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

From what I've read i think it will be worse than 50/50 if lots get it because the recovery stories I've seen involved weeks in the ICU and required those machines that help with organ functions like pumping blood.

There will be a massive shortage of ICU beds and machines to save the people.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

And no Medicaid/Medicare to pay for it. So, even if they get the care, they'll be crushed by massive debt afterward.

[–] robbinhood@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

If a disease with anything close to a 50% case fatality rate spreads far and wide, it'll collapse human civilization. There won't be anyone to collect the debt afterward. Those who survive would have to rebuild society from the ground up.

If it doesn't spread far and wide and it's only a small number of people who end in ICU, yeah they'll need to hire a bankrupcty lawyer once they recover.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 20 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I remember when people laughed at the concept of the immune system being like a muscle, that needs frequent excercise, and with same excercise it could be built back.

Good times.

Nowadays I wonder when will people shoot each other with increasingly higher caliber bullets to build up immunity to bullets.

[–] waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago

I eat one credit card a day to build immunity to capitalism

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 13 hours ago

I don't think he knows about second pandemic, Pip.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 18 points 15 hours ago

He can go first. Go ahead Bobby, show us how easy it is.

[–] canajac@lemmy.ca 34 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What a fucking disgrace he is to the Kennedy legacy. I hope he gets swallowed by a whale or gets eaten by a bear or a worm eating his brain.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 7 points 15 hours ago

his own family more or less disowned a while ago, and also hes not all there because the way he speaks is like someone got a stroke, he was a known heroin addict.

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[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 61 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

If bird flu is such a minor issue, I say we inject it into Donald Trump, JD Vance, RFK Jr., and Elon Musk. Demonstrate how safe it is. Do it. Come on. DO IT YOU WUSSES.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

why inject, since you can spread bird flu by coughing in the same room as them. Trump also is a well known germaphobe too, considered trump and his dad both bullied thier brother into suicide and alcoholism.

[–] adj16@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

I’m pretty sure bird flu currently cannot be spread person-to-person and that’s why it’s only a notable concern rather than a pandemic 2.0 level threat

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 268 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (18 children)

I love how the U.S. spent like 90 years building up soft power around the world and we are giving it all up in like a 3 month span.

Every person in charge of an agency, is literally not qualified to run a grocery store let alone the agencies they run.

Its alll about loyalty now, and its going to send the U.S. back into the dark age.

[–] match@pawb.social 101 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (39 children)

Hitler came to power because the treaty of Versailles devastated and humiliated germany. what the fuck are historians going to point at in the US that lead to the rise in fascism? fucking gamergate? The self-inflicted 2008 crisis?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 113 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

What historians will point to in my opinion are two key point in modern American history that unleashed the decent into madness.

  1. Raegan, his financial policies laid the groundwork for the modern ultra wealthy tech bros.
  2. 9/11, 9/11 turned patriotism into a national psychotic duty.

After 9/11 you could slap a US flag on basically anything, shout patriotism and make a shit load of money while being thanked for it.

Then it just rolled on.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 92 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Don't forget the importance of the Citizens United ruling, which gave the green light to funnel unlimited amounts of corporate money into campaigns, reaching a crescendo in this past election when the world's richest man bought himself a President.

CU and the lack of federal public funding for elections (by which I mean the state funds the campaigns of those who want federal offices) basically resulted in the US political class ending up fully in the pocket of the corporations.

That's what absolutely destroyed our ability to elect anyone other than what the corporate doners want, and thus you end up with nothing but corporate-friendly politicians, and thus a whole bunch of people who have no problem with facism and well, here we are.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Wasn't it Obama making fun of trump at the WH Correspondent's dinner? Thanks, Obama. /s

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 43 points 21 hours ago (8 children)

Hahahahahaha jesus tapdancing christ this timeline is fucking wild. He is going to create the conditions for the next pandemic. It’s gonna start here. I’m calling it now.

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[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 40 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ, can we please close our airports for American flights?

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[–] jve@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Isn’t he worried one of his falcons will catch it?

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