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A controversial proposal from U.S Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to let bird flu naturally spread through poultry farms is raising alarms among scientists -- who say the move could be inhumane and dangerous.

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[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Let's not use the word "controversial" when "nobody with any qualifications would ever fucking agree with this" is more accurate. Controversial suggests a lack of consensus.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I think just saying dumb shit to cause drama and distract from other shit they're doing

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 288 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

I love how the U.S. spent like 90 years building up soft power around the world and we are giving it all up in like a 3 month span.

Every person in charge of an agency, is literally not qualified to run a grocery store let alone the agencies they run.

Its alll about loyalty now, and its going to send the U.S. back into the dark age.

[–] match@pawb.social 107 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (30 children)

Hitler came to power because the treaty of Versailles devastated and humiliated germany. what the fuck are historians going to point at in the US that lead to the rise in fascism? fucking gamergate? The self-inflicted 2008 crisis?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 120 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What historians will point to in my opinion are two key point in modern American history that unleashed the decent into madness.

  1. Raegan, his financial policies laid the groundwork for the modern ultra wealthy tech bros.
  2. 9/11, 9/11 turned patriotism into a national psychotic duty.

After 9/11 you could slap a US flag on basically anything, shout patriotism and make a shit load of money while being thanked for it.

Then it just rolled on.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 97 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget the importance of the Citizens United ruling, which gave the green light to funnel unlimited amounts of corporate money into campaigns, reaching a crescendo in this past election when the world's richest man bought himself a President.

CU and the lack of federal public funding for elections (by which I mean the state funds the campaigns of those who want federal offices) basically resulted in the US political class ending up fully in the pocket of the corporations.

That's what absolutely destroyed our ability to elect anyone other than what the corporate doners want, and thus you end up with nothing but corporate-friendly politicians, and thus a whole bunch of people who have no problem with facism and well, here we are.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 25 points 2 days ago

Reagan was in place thanks to the Southern Strategy begun a decade or so earlier to ensure a voting percentage for the GOP and religious right no matter what. There are unfortunately many other "turning points" throughout US history where we could have gone a different route but chose this one, usually because "it's always been this way" mentality.

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago

A multitude of issues have contributed to this, the creation of fox News, allowing our entire manufacturing sector to leave the country, and then ignoring the poorest and most vulnerable people's issues, misinformation, social media, state actor disinformation campaigns, and probably a bunch of stuff I haven't mentioned. Pick your favorite.

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (7 children)

what the fuck are historians going to point at in the US that lead to the rise in fascism? fucking gamergate? The self-inflicted 2008 crisis?

Losing the Cold War. America wasn't beaten militarily, but brought down via foreign propaganda. (It also hit the UK, with Brexit, and other countries with similar harmful things going on domestically to them.)

Livejournal was one of the earliest "modern" social media sites (for those who didn't experience it, it was like a longer-form tumblr--longer text posts, fewer images), and it was sold to a company in Russia in the early 00s. I remember scratching my head as a 20-something about why the servers kept going down, then I learned that intellectuals in Russia had taken it up as THEIR social media and due to politics "on the Russian" side it was getting DDoS'd.

I was still too young to connect the dots then, or understand what all that really meant (hindsight is always much better, isn't it?) but basically they perfected control via social media first on their own people, probably trawled through all the content of the original LiveJournal users posting in English, then perfected using what they learned there on later social media sites.

And because Americans A) thought the Cold War was over, and B) have a bit of a head-scratcher conundrum when it comes to free speech because it's valued so highly and nobody likes censorshiop, nobody did anything or even realized anything was happening until the harm was already done.

Personally, again with hindsight, I think company-designed social media algorithms that just suggest content to you as "trending" or whatever should be illegal (and block buttons should be mandatory). Users should have to be forced to follow, one by one, the content they want to subscribe to.

Having "trending" algorithms that have no transparency in what they show or boost allows malignant actors to game the algorithm.

If you force people to follow others based on word of mouth or reblogs from their actual friends, and give people a way to solidly block someone that's easy to find and instant to use, it will cut a lot of the bullshit down. People will be somewhat less inclined to fall down wells of stupidity. It won't completely stop it, but people are lazy and if you don't dangle shit in front of their nose many will go off and do something else instead of putting in the effort to find something horrible.

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[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 38 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The pandemic, the inherent flaws of an antiquated two party system, malicious individuals controlling all major social media platforms, an overworked and undersupported population, low education standards. Idk I'm German and have never been over but from what I can tell it's very complex. And while many of my fellow Europeans like to give Americans shit online right now the truth is most of us are one or two unfortunate elections away from a similar scenario. Whatever it is that's driving people apart isn't exclusively an American problem.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Whatever it is that's driving people apart isn't exclusively an American problem.

This is the scary part. The entire world seems to be shifting right again. I think a lot of it how easy misinformation and disinformation is to spread with the ubiquitous social media now, but like you said, it's complex, and there likely isn't any single factor contributing to this.

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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 20 points 2 days ago

Regan had a huge hand in the downfall of the US.

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[–] oxysis@lemm.ee 34 points 3 days ago (13 children)

We were already a 3rd world country in comparison to most of our allies. Now we are speedrunning becoming a 7th world country

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago

I am reminded of the quote "some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make".

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago

The Secretary of HEALTH recommends letting a pandemic spread. Think about that for a second.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

Who would have known. The russian mafia puppet government that's doing it's best impression of the New world order stereotype.. is suggesting a population cull

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Inhumane is ironic considering that the mere existence of poultry farms is inhumane. But yeah, it would be stupid, cruel and it will raise the chance of mutations that spread to other species including us.

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[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 67 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If bird flu is such a minor issue, I say we inject it into Donald Trump, JD Vance, RFK Jr., and Elon Musk. Demonstrate how safe it is. Do it. Come on. DO IT YOU WUSSES.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

why inject, since you can spread bird flu by coughing in the same room as them. Trump also is a well known germaphobe too, considered trump and his dad both bullied thier brother into suicide and alcoholism.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

For the unaware, this bird flu variant has about a 50/50 survival rate. It won't be like Covid.

[–] robbinhood@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

It's a bit complicated. That survival rate primarily includes people who become severely ill and seek medical attention. Since it's the most severe cases, the case fatality rate (CFR) will appear higher.

HOWEVER, what also needs to be emphasized is that a disease with like a 10% CFR is probably a civilization (as we know it) ending disease. I believe covid 19 was between like 1-2% and we saw how it nearly broke our health care system, and that was with people more competent than RFK in charge.

If a disease emerges that spreads as easily as COVID did and with a CFR rate 3 to 4X as worse, it'd obliterate the health care system very, very quickly. Then people are going to start dying en masse from preventable diseases, like common infections, moderate injuries (e.g. broken leg) etc.

If a disease emerges that spreads as fast and far as COVID and has a 50% CFR, yeah that'd collapse most societies completely. Maybe some societies that can truly lock down and enforce social distancing, like China, could survive long enough for a vaccine or other solution to become available.

[–] Early_Insurance_3334@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

From what I've read i think it will be worse than 50/50 if lots get it because the recovery stories I've seen involved weeks in the ICU and required those machines that help with organ functions like pumping blood.

There will be a massive shortage of ICU beds and machines to save the people.

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[–] froh42@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

BND: There's a high probability that the last pandemic was caused by negligence in China.

US: Last Pandemic? Wait, hold my pisswater.

[–] canajac@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What a fucking disgrace he is to the Kennedy legacy. I hope he gets swallowed by a whale or gets eaten by a bear or a worm eating his brain.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 43 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Hahahahahaha jesus tapdancing christ this timeline is fucking wild. He is going to create the conditions for the next pandemic. It’s gonna start here. I’m calling it now.

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[–] eddanja@lemmy.world 59 points 3 days ago (3 children)

That's not RFK Jr. talking. He died long ago. His body is being controlled by the worms.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I remember when people laughed at the concept of the immune system being like a muscle, that needs frequent excercise, and with same excercise it could be built back.

Good times.

Nowadays I wonder when will people shoot each other with increasingly higher caliber bullets to build up immunity to bullets.

I eat one credit card a day to build immunity to capitalism

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ, can we please close our airports for American flights?

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[–] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 56 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So “do nothing” is his answer to bird flu and measles?

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Everyone who survives will be immune.

That's the whole logic. It was awful enough with Covid's 1% mortality. Measles only kills about 0.1%. Bird flu kills 90-100% of infected birds and 50% of infected humans. And there's plenty of lasting/permanent deficits short of literal death. They're psychopaths.

[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh cool, so this world ensure it spreads to humans. Would could go wrong?

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[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago

He can go first. Go ahead Bobby, show us how easy it is.

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Guess we'll have to force anyone returning from the US to stay in quarantine.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 2 days ago

I don't think he knows about second pandemic, Pip.

[–] _thebrain_@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I guess that would succeed in killing off a bunch of the elderly and infirmed, which be a huge savings to Medicare and social Security, so it's a win-win right?

/S if it wasn't implied already

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