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[–] plyth@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Because they wiped their ass with a communal sponge.

The shared gut bacteria provided the micronutrients that are needed to develop the intelligence that can handle the complexity.

OP needs to get topped more to compensate.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The number of people who have no clue how much processing goes into making rice edible is hilarious.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Or just to grow it. Rice is stupid hard compared to wheat.

[–] Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As well as regional factors. They both grow in totally different environments.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X1930082X

I remember reading about this concept and how rice growing cultures differ from wheat growing. Our agricultural past has had long lasting impacts.

[–] Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk 1 points 5 hours ago

Thanks for sharing, that was an interesting read.

We are genetically built by the decisions our ancestors made. As far as I know everybody can eat cereal grain, that was a massive challenge for our ancestors who until then we're meat eaters. I can eat dairy products, a lot of people from other areas cannot, like my wife who is from Asia.

Off topic, but I find it fascinating, animals create their own vitamin c but humans don't. I read it's from an evolutionary mutation where our genes for vit c got turned off.

[–] adminofoz@lemmy.cafe 58 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Be hooman, eat much seed. Seed good. Wheat like seed. Wheat good. Rock smash seed, easy eat seed.

Rain make smash seed taste funny. Fire make rain smash seed tastey. Society.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's actually been theorized that beer was a driving factor for humanity discovering agriculture.

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[–] frog@feddit.uk 183 points 3 days ago (28 children)

Wheat is easier to grow and requires less water. The first farmers in the Middle East became farmers almost acidentally. When they transported the wheat, the dropped crop started growing more and closer to where they were processing it. Eventually some of them decided they would rather grow the wheat than being part of a nomadic tribe. This will eventually lead to a population boom where women would have children every year rather than every four years.

[–] GorGor@startrek.website 113 points 3 days ago

Also more protein in wheat compared to rice. Actually a lot more nutrients in wheat compared to rice.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 46 points 2 days ago (2 children)

One guy can grow and harvest a wheat field large enough to feed his family, but rice requires a lot of community organization to grow.

[–] HeadyBroccoli@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There’s an interesting hypothesis called the Rice Hypothesis that theorizes that the different styles of farming rice vs wheat shaped our societies in ways that are still prevalent today. Farming rice led to strong collectivism in society, while farming wheat led to strong individualism in society. Perhaps this is what has led to our differences in ideologies and governing systems.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All grass based crops encouraged group cooperation. Plants like potatoes remain safe in the ground until you need them. But all cereal crops require harvesting at a specific time. You can't just harvest enough wheat as you need it. This means you inevitably have to have a stockpile of grain to get through the year. And a stockpile of already harvested and prepared grain makes you an instant target for raids by opposing groups.

Cereal crops of all forms necessitate cooperation.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I also like the one where western people are good at stuff like telescopes and magnifying lenses because they drink wine, which is a pretty color, where as the Chinese drank clear alcohol so they didn't get as good with glasswork

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[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also, a very different climate and soil.

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[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's pretty simple, really. Rice doesn't grow everywhere.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can confirm. I'm currently at Tim Horton's and there's no rice growing.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

We have tried to grind, dry, ferment, bake, broil, boil, and fry everything on the face of the earth. Countless times. Humans have had the same brainpower for ages, just not the same knowledge base.

wheat makes beer

beer yeast and wheat makes bread

wheat made pasta

wheat grows well in colder climates.

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[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

The ignorance around rice is what gets me on this one. It's almost troll level.

[–] Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago

You can eat wheat right out of the head (the top part of the wheat stalk). No processing required (other than threshing it - removing it from the husk).

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 52 points 3 days ago

Wheat doesn't actually require all that much. Soak it in water, and it becomes gruel. Let gruel sit around for awhile, the liquid becomes a rudimentary ale. Boil off the liquid, you have a rudimentary bread. Want to make it easier to eat? Grind it before you add the water.

Every other use is an evolution of those basic concepts.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 114 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (16 children)

Boiled wheat is perfectly edible, actually. Tasty? Not really, but I didn't grow up on it and we're extremely spoilt compared to prehistoric peoples. Stuff like boiled barley kernels (AFAIK you can't really make bread with barley) was still a relatively common dish 1-200 hundred years ago in my parts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groat_(grain)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_barley

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Significant point: "Edible" is subject to discussion. Not more than 100 years ago, the expected diet in large parts of Norway was boiled fish, boiled potatoes, and some form of boiled grain. For every meal. Your entire life. Vitamins? Go chew on that shrub until the scurvy goes away.

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[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

Wheat is a more modern staple than you might imagine. Millet was more widespread than rice or wheat for much of Eurasia.

[–] BurnedDonutHole@ani.social 47 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You can't grow rice where there isn't a proper water supply so much so that your field is basically a swamp until it's time to harvest. Meanwhile wheat and barley doesn't need much water to cultivate.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 26 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I don't think rice requires water? It just tolerates it fine, so it's useful for pest/weed control?

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[–] bryophile@lemmy.zip 63 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You can boil wheat too. Ancient peoples used to make porridge

[–] grue@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (3 children)

And by "porridge" you mean "beer".

Booze was the real motivator.

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[–] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 67 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Anon is not thinking enough about beer

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[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Sir and/or Madam,

Have you heard the good word about maize (corn)? 🌽

[–] AngryishHumanoid@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

WHAT UP MOTHER SHUCKERS

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

This phenomenon is even stronger with (most types of) Maize (excluding sweet corn). It requires heavy processing to be turned into glucose sirup or anything resembling edible food. By default, the grains are extremely durable and very difficult to digest.

But this is essentially what protects it from insects and fungus. Because the grains are so hard to digest by default, they can only be eaten by humans who have the tools to heavily process them before eating; for everyone else it's essentially uninteresting as a food source and that prevents mold and insects.

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (3 children)

In California, native Americans made acorn porridge. They collected the acorns, shelled and roasted them, ground it into a flour, then leached it because it's full of bitter tannins, and then they can cook the leached acorn meal into a porridge. It is crazy and multiple steps to get there. Mind blowing stuff.

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[–] TheFerrango@lemmings.world 4 points 2 days ago

The communal sponge is peak hygiene, stop dissing it

[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

wheat is overrated, I can't even eat it with out shitting myself and eventually developing cancer. Its because my genes are too evolved to eat it or something

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[–] sepiroth154@feddit.nl 40 points 3 days ago

Chaffing it, and then grinding it and adding water aren't exactly rocket science. Also you didn't have any smartphones to keep you from being bored.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Rice needs just as much processing. Do you think the rice you buy in the store is what it's like in the field?

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[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 18 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Rice makes terrible bread. Grind me up some more of that fancy grass please.

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