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Right now, I have a mess of bookmarks, open tabs, and things saved haphazardly in different apps. I want a system where I can organize it all and also keep it reasonably private. Open to all suggestions, whether that's an app or a tool or a personal trick or some completely different way of interacting with the internet.

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[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 3 points 17 hours ago

I email them to myself.

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Obsidian. Categorize links by topic, add a few hastags, and a few [[links]] and boom, you have a neat way to create citations as you need.

Obsidian isn't very private though, if you want something slightly more private in the same general line of notebook apps, I recommend Cherrytree.

[–] soulBit@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 hours ago

Obviously not a perfect solution since it's a plugin, but it's possible in Obsidian with https://github.com/meld-cp/obsidian-encrypt

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you! I keep seeing Obsidian mentioned in different places online. If you don't mind, I have a few more questions:

-Can you add personal notes that are longer than hashtags to your links/articles in Obsidian? -Can you do the above on Cherrytree? -Are there any disadvantages of Cherrytree over Obsidian? -What makes Obsidian not very private?

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 points 12 hours ago

Can you add personal notes that are longer than hashtags to your links/articles in Obsidian?

There's a few ways to do that, easiest would probably be foot notes? But since it's mark down you can also format links like on Lemmy so you could hyperlink your notes, have your notes and then use the footnote as a citation, quick highly edited example:

You can also go the canvas route if you're one of those people. Quick example that took me literally two minutes:

Can you do the above on Cherrytree?

I don't have it installed at the moment to show but yes, Cherrytree also supports markdown formatting. So yes, but it does not have canvas support and its internal linking isn't as flexible.

Are there any disadvantages of Cherrytree over Obsidian?

The main disadvantage is relative lack of features and plugins. If Obsidian is doing something you don't want it to, or you think of a way to be more productive or more precise in your notes, there's a plugin for it.

Cherrytree is a lot more... indie FOSS developed, and has just a smaller userbase so less plugin support, fewer features, dated interface, and a much bigger emphasis on nesting notes.

Oh right.

So the big information storage difference between the two is Cherrytree has 'nodes' and Obsidian has folders and notes.

Every "Node" in Cherrytree is an editable note, every single one, and all nodes can be nested under each other like files.

So you can have a root node with literally thousands of pages of information.
    And then a new node under it with the same amount
       And so on, on the node itself, not as a note under a file folder

Which can be useful for some information management systems and ideas. Obsidian is a file/folder structure but its major thing is you can link to any other note by referencing it in brackets, so [[Example Page]] would directly link to the page in the above screen shots. I don't know if Cherrytree ever got internal links like that, but in Obsidian, once you get used to it, you'll be able to create a massive tangled web where you can go unlimited notes deep with as specific of information as you might want.

-What makes Obsidian not very private?

Cherrytree has the option to be a single, encrypted passworded file. Your entire notebook, no matter how many thousands of notes, no matter how many images and even webpages you save in it, is a single encrypted passworded file.

Obsidian doesn't have that option, it uses a file/folder structure. So anyone on your PC (if you don't have any other way to lock out users) can find your notes and open them. If you host the database and files remotely, then there's the only barrier is whatever password your remote host provides, obsidian has no security whatsoever. It's also not FOSS, which can be a draw back, and their own hosting service they offer has had some controversies.

[–] slampisko@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Logseq for texts and links I want to archive and refer back to, Wallabag for articles and other texts I want to read later.

[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Logseq here too!! Readeck for the articles/pages.

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Hi, thanks for commenting! Do you mind explaining more about how you use Logsec vs. Readeck? When do you use Logsec but not Readeck?

edit: also, can you add notes that are more in-depth than just tags to your articles and links on either of these? I wasn’t thinking about it earlier, but that would be a really nice feature

[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I use readeck to store webpages, mostly articles I like. I tag them, I share them, has a firefox extension so I can use it both at home and on the go. I do self-host readeck, that might be the biggest snag?

For everything else I use LogSeq. I read a book, i make a page, paste in the cover image, some details, and thoughts. Well, nowadays that happens automatically via a sync with my e-reader, but just to give you an idea. The daily notes are for everyday notekeeping: I do a cleanup here, I had a doctors appointment there, some good quote I found, an idea i had. Just the immediate dropzone for anything, but I do take care to use appropriate tags. Then in quieter times, I can start sifting through these, like a gardener pruning his plants: copying notes to pages they might belong to, or create new pages, link them up. And at the end, one can gape at the Graph showing all these connections, which in turn encourages another round of pruning. Ad infinitum.

EDIT: This article seems to give a good overview.

EDIT2: Quick video (youtube)

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Thank you so much! Sounds like a pretty cool system.

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Thanks! Do you mind explaining a little more about how you use these? When would it make sense to use Wallabag but not Logseq, or vice versa?

edit: also, can you add in-depth notes about the articles/links you save, like something more than just short tags?

[–] slampisko@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Wallabag is just what Pocket used to be -- you feed it a link and it extracts text from the article for you to read later. I also use it to sync articles with my Kobo (the alternative interface KOReader has built-in support). Usually when I've read the articles, I just archive them in Wallabag without any further processing.

Logseq is for anything else -- tips and tricks, the odd article I want to archive in its entirety to have it easily accessible, howtos, documentation of my personal projects, creative writing, journaling... It works a little like my own personal Wiki. I sync my pages among several devices using Syncthing.

AFAIK, you cannot add long notes in Wallabag, just tags. If I wanted to do that, I'd probably copy the text or link to Logseq and do it there.

[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 14 points 1 day ago

I have a tab group on my phone where I move all tabs I'll look at later. I think there's over 1000 tabs in there now

[–] TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com 1 points 16 hours ago

I email myself the link/s.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 19 hours ago

endless tabs.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 4 points 22 hours ago

I remember reading about somebody using Reddit as their "bookmarking tool" and posting it to their profile. You can kind of do the same on Lemmy.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Joplin, which I self-host in the cloud. They have a browser extension that lets you clip articles.

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Joplin looks neat! How does self-hosting in the cloud work? (I thought the choice was usually self-host vs. cloud host, but I know almost nothing about hosting.)

[–] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You could use a bookmarks manager / read-it-later service where you'd save every article you read (or at least the ones you find most interesting). Most of them have a tagging system for organising by topic, some of them (including Readeck, the one I use) even locally save the article's content so you can search in it too, not just in the titles.

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Readeck looks really cool! Can you sync across multiple devices? It’s not necessarily a dealbreaker for me if not (I can still consolidate/organize a lot of things better than I am now), but that would be a nice feature to have.

edit: also, can you associate links/articles with more in-depth notes than just tags?

[–] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Can you sync across multiple devices?

Your Readeck instance is the source of truth, every client syncs from it. A note though: Readeck does not have a cloud hosted version yet, it's supposed to be coming in the later part of the year.

can you associate links/articles with more in-depth notes than just tags?

You can highlight pieces text and add comments to highlighted pieces, but no, you unfortunately cannot write down notes (like a summary) for a link.

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Oh, OK. Thank you so much!!

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago

I try to remember what it was called and type it into my address bar to see if it auto-completes from history. If so, cool. If not, then I have to convince myself that I wasn't interested in looking back at that page in the first place.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

post it notes and three ring binders.

I print out the websites and catalog them in the binders.

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Man, I don’t think I want to print out EVERYTHING, but that would definitely be a privacy-preserving option! Nobody can hack into your notes on articles or guess what you’ve been thinking about from your files if they aren’t even on a computer

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I use raindrop primarily as a cross platform bookmarker and personal archiver, as the paid plan saves backups of web pages. Just save + add tags for anything I read and may want to refer to later. Tags + free text search makes finding things easy. I don't worry about folders/collections because the goal is speed.

Raindrop only archives public sites like a crawler though, so it often fails due to captchas or paywalls.

I also use the SingleFile browser extension and screenshots to archive amything I'm logged into locally. Recoll indexes them for easy searching.

I've been planning to test out ArchiveBox but the current approach works well enough.

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Hi, just to clarify: If you want to save something that’s behind a paywall/captcha but you’re paying for it or have access to it, can you screenshot it and then move it into Raindrop? Or do you just have to use a separate bookmarker/archiver for that stuff?

[–] Erusset@slrpnk.net 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I'm trying to use Anytype for storing actual info I want to save. I use too many windows and millions of tabs for stuff I want to read sooner, but never get to.

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Anytype looks interesting. I like that it doesn’t need wifi for access and appears to be privacy/security focused (although I really need to learn more about how things like no server/peer-to-peer sync work). Do you find that you need a paid plan for personal use or is the free version enough?

[–] Erusset@slrpnk.net 2 points 16 hours ago

Right now I have a good amount of things in there and I haven't had any problems and I think I have plenty of room left on the free plan. I usually don't add any files or images just in case. It seems pretty compact.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 18 hours ago

Short term, open tabs.

Long term, organized bookmarks.

If I care about something where a computer restart would be an issue, I have to start organizing immediately. If I don't have the mental energy to organize, the random bookmarks aren't worth it.

[–] Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago

Sort your open tabs in tab groups

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

A long time ago I started using OneNote, which was great for many things including simply saving either a snippet of a page as an image or copy/paste the portion I wanted to save - it also included the URL of the page.

This had the benefit of making it searchable.

Today I'd recommend starting with something like Joplin or one of it's competitors. I'm partial to Joplin for how it stores data (essentially files in a folder so it's easy to copy/sync) and it's cross-platform capability.

[–] grahamja@reddthat.com 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

OneNote is stil my favorite note taking tool prior to putting something in a more permanent database. It is so easy to sync with coworkers and you can paste just about anything into it from another microsoft products keeps life simple. As long as sinpletons arent dumping screen shots into it then life is simple to convey thoughts / research.

[–] catfeeder@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

I struggled with having too many bookmarks most of which I never even visited.

I solved it by creating a few text files to serve as an abyss for links. That way I know that a link is saved somewhere but it also doesn't create a mess within my in-browser bookmarks.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

I started using Zotero for exactly this. Keeps copies of pages, and let's me search in the text (of everything I keep in there, which also includes books)

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Zotero looks nice. It looks like you can choose to sync data across devices. Do you know if you choose to sync some things but not everything, or is just an on/off thing where you either sync everything or nothing? Thanks!

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I don't use sync so I can't tell you.

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, OK. Do you know if you can add notes about links/articles that are more in-depth than just short tags?

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

You can add notes, and tags, and annotations to highlighted text (within the built-in reader)

And if you feel that the notes are lacking in some way, you can add any kind of document to an item

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Awesome, thank you so much!

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 2 points 23 hours ago

Bookmarks grouped in folders.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

You could always use folders and whatnot to organize your bookmarks.

But a more fun way might be to make a website and put them into a links section. That way it could be potentially useful for others

[–] nykula@piefed.social 1 points 22 hours ago

I don't. Browser extensions automatically close tabs that I haven't touched in a while. If something's important to have read by a deadline, I paste the link to my planner. If it's for uni, I have an org-mode file for each discipline, where I create one todo for each topic I need to pass, under which I paste relevant links and write notes from them later.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I have a big mess of bookmarks sorted into different folders with titles that describe more of an emotion then any sort of description of what's in it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 hours ago

Either open tabs, or storing the links in text files I use with Markor.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip -2 points 23 hours ago

I tell ChatGPT to remember any interesting sites/links along capturing metadata like reference links etc., and a general summary of page contents. This allows me to ask for links relevant to my interests like, "give me some links to blondes with big jugs."

60% of the time, it works every time. The other 40% of the time it’s the Facebook page of a woman named Cheryl who raises dairy goats outside Des Moines. That's a challenging fap.