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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

Their first mistake was forming a Christian metal band. This stupid lawsuit pales in comparison to that.

[–] Steve 201 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (23 children)

They actually have a decent case here.

They've been a band with a trademarked name for 25 years. Netflix used that same name as part if the movie title. The band can show measurable harm to their trademarked brand, by citing Google search results for Demon Hunter.

I can't imagine Netflix would change the name of the movie, but paying the band for the damage to their trademark, and compensation for having to rebrand and trademark a new band name is a reasonable cost of success for Netflix.

In short, it isn't very Oniony

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 111 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

The thing they have to fight though is that when you register for a trademark, it doesnt apply to every sector. Apple cannot for example and sue farm conglomerates for using the word apple on their actual apples. They do not hold the trademark in terms of produce.

For example, Nintendo lost a trademark to a supermarket in I think costa rica named "Super Mario" (it was a supermarket owned by a guy named mario), because Nintendo did not own the trademark rights to supermarkets(however they held one for food products branded it, so the same supermarket could not name their home branded products super mario)

Its a matter if the band holds the trademark for movies, as the band in the show itself is not called Demon Hunters (its Hunter/x)

[–] errer@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The movie title is referring to a fictional band, so even if you google “demon hunters band” you’re almost certainly going to get K-Pop Demon Hunters nowadays. I wouldn’t even know how to search for them and reliably get them to show up.

…well except this news story has gone viral so now they DO show up on top. The internet is weird man.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

search engine SEOs are a separate issue than trademarks though. there isn't any law that im aware of that requires search engines to be neutral on how searches are organized (or even if something shows at all). If Demon Hunter wants to fight against not being able to be found, theyd essentially for example, be fighting against every corporate who uses DMCA powers to force google to remove some links from being indexed.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

They're not suing Google though right? They're suing Netflix.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

By using the old ways of search fu.

"Demon Hunter Christian Rock -pop -k-pop -k-pop"

[–] Zorcron@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)

What search engine do you use that respects that type of search now? I’ve found that for years now Google just ignores the -pop or sometimes just ignores the “-“ and adds the thing I’m trying to avoid directly to the search query.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah. Google started ignoring you more and more with it over the past like 5 years or so, but duckduckgo still uses it correctly.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

but duckduckgo still uses it correctly

So Bing.

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[–] moondoggie@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You are right, but this isn't a video game versus a grocery store chain comparison here. It's a real life band vs a movie of a fictional band. The question of trademark infringement is not necessarily even about direct competition or intentional use. It is about whether a reasonable consumer of their product might confuse the two names/logos.

Were the movie just about some typical warriors fighting demons and otherwise just sharing a similar name, I doubt that they would have much of a case due to lack of overlap. But as the film is about a band (even if the band itself has a different name), and the actual soundtrack for this fictional band is immensely popular and carries the film name, and they're selling live shows with the artists who created the actual music under the same name. I think they could make a really good case about consumer confusion.

Edit: They even demonstrate actual consumer confusion that has already occurred in their court filing.

To prove their point, included in the filing is an email from a person who spent $500 on top-tier tickets to a Demon Hunter concert in Albany, thinking they were purchasing admission to a KPop Demon Hunters event for their children, aged five and six.

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[–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

They’ve been a band with a trademarked name for 25 years.

They trademarked "Demon Hunters" in 2022....

Their case is shit, its frankly a miracle they were even able to trademark "Demon Hunters" because it's so generic. I see this going nowhere.

[–] DaleGribble88@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago

They got the trademark as soon as they started marketing their band. They may not have registered the trademark until 2022. Things like trademarks and copyright are implicit to the creator. Registering them just makes it easier for others to find your work and deter infringement and makes filing some paperwork, namely lawsuits, much easier.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Netflix didn't give the movie its title, how do you figure they are liable at all?

Even if the movie had been a Netflix production, how is netflix liable for the behaviour of a third party algorithm?

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 66 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I’m concerned that children may have been exposed to Christian “metal”. That is a traumatic experience that can ruin your enjoyment of metal, rock, and live concerts in general.

[–] moondoggie@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Isn’t Christian metal just lead paint?

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Demon hunter actually had some bangers back when I was in highschool

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[–] JoeTheSane@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Won’t someone please think of the white, Christian men?

[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The most persecuted of all.

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[–] Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Based on what I know of trademark law they have a case. Also, they have sue to protect their trade mark they can loose it.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 13 points 1 week ago (8 children)

They have a bit of a case, but not really because "demon hunter" is a generic term that predates their band by hundreds of years (LOL).

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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Publicity stunt. The home schooled red state Skeeters who are this band's fan base will flood GoFundMe with their beer money.

Conservatism. Grifting grifters grifting grifting grifters.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

Is there a site for MAGAdiot Christians called GoFundie?

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[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

To prove their point, included in the filing is an email from a person who spent $500 on top-tier tickets to a Demon Hunter concert in Albany, thinking they were purchasing admission to a KPop Demon Hunters event for their children, aged five and six. "Is their[sic] anyway to refund me or get me a credit or something[?]" the person wrote. "If I dont get it refunded I will not be able to purchase tickets to the actual ‘K pop demon hunters show’."

Okay first... That's ridiculous that this parent paid $500 for tickets for their kids.

Second, rough.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Good. I hope it goes to trial, and they show that the monopoly Google is unfairly fucking with search results, as we all know they do, and some sort of regulation eventually comes from it.

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[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This seems like a stretch. The MOVIE had a similar name to the BAND. Remember in 2013 when a movie came out literally called "Rush"? Geddy Lee didn't take Ron Howard to court. Trademarks do not transcend all trades/media. Nintendo has a line of Demon Hunter games. D&D has a class Demon Hunter.

Using search results as the basis is borderline nonsense. Apply that logic to say, a disaster. "Ever since the town of Metallica exploded our search results are down, so we're taking them to court!" Nonsense. How about science? "Since it was announced comet KMFDM, a name derived using some standard naming convention, was announced to be slamming into earth next year, our search results are way down!". TRADEmark, not OWNTHEWORDSmark.

The KPop band is called HUNTR/X. If they had been called Demon Hunters then yeah, probably a case.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If you read the article, it’s NOT about the movie at all.

It’s about the fact that Netflix and AEG are running live concerts under the event name “Kpop Demon Hunters”. NOT the band HUNTR/X.

And the actual band Demon Hunter has evidence that people bought tickets to their show thinking it was the Netflix live show, then requested refunds because of the confusion

So… yeah they do have a case. The live shows are running under the name Demon Hunters, directly confusing people with the actual band Demon Hunter. Especially parents that aren’t really familiar with either, but just want to buy tickets for their kids. Which they say they have direct evidence of people buying tickets then requesting refunds because they were confused about the name.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Sometimes you can just issue a lawsuit and collect on the nuisance value alone. Sort of a get-rich-quick secret of the pharaohs. If you have a lawyer in pocket and your time is less valuable than their money, filing in a friendly court with a plausible case can be worth five or six figures easy. The defense attorneys will cost more than that anyway.

For the next-level shit, go check out how the Westboro Baptist Church makes money. They effectively thrive on lawsuits by being as annoying as possible and then filing claims against anyone who takes a swing at them.

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[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel really bad for the mom that spent $500 for her kids to see huntrix. Poor kids must have been so disappointed.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's the thing, these guys are definitely dining out on the confusion. No "Christian metal" band is realistically charging $500 for vip tickets. Especially considering they only sold 600k records in the last 25 years and over +12 albums. They would be lucky enough to be hitting the state fair circuit.

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel bad for the kids, not for the mum. I think parents should take an interest in their kids' interests. If you're gonna spend 500 bucks on a band and you can't be arsed to learn their name, you gotta pay the parent-who-doesn't-care-about-your-kids-interests tax. The kids probably watched the movie 100 times, you should have been paying attention one of those times. Letting the TV parent your kids, and not even bothering to learn what the TV is saying to them, is neglect.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

To prove their point, included in the filing is an email from a person who spent $500 on top-tier tickets to a Demon Hunter concert in Albany, thinking they were purchasing admission to a KPop Demon Hunters event for their children, aged five and six.

I kind of get it. It's not like the movie has nothing to do with music.

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Can't you see, you're not making Christianity better, you're just making metal worse.

[–] FluidBeef@quokk.au 17 points 1 week ago

Being Christian in a field dominated by secular faux-Satanists is so metal that it wraps back around the other side and just becomes lame again.

[–] RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Turn the other cheek you Hippocrate fuck faces.

[–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I don't think Hippocrates is the man to invoke here, unless they're doing faith healing then of course 'do no harm' comes into play

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[–] Murse@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago

...idk fellas, ya might want to just leave this one to the Satanists. Stick with the Gregorian chanting and call it a day. Also stop fucking altar boys.

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