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TranscriptA Helpful Guide To Star Wars vs Star Trek

Star Wars

[Image of Han Solo in Tommy’s style]

  • Don’t start with the ‘first’ movie, let me tell you where to start
  • Looks like ruined farm equipment in space
  • In summary: the past was horrible
  • JJ Abrams ruined it

Star Trek

[Image of Jean Luc Picard in Tommy’s style]

  • Don’t start with the first season, let me tell you where to start
  • Looks like a cruise ship in space
  • In summary: the future is incredible
  • JJ Abrams ruined it
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[–] IamMoonPie@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I guess I’m in the minority of, nine times out of ten, I’m just stoked there’s new material in my favorite franchises.

I don’t mind JJ Abram’s Star Treks. The man himself is deplorable but his movies are fun enough to watch. And I’ll always be grateful because those movies turned him into a Trekkie!

I also nostalgically love the Star Wars Prequels. It’s become a comfort show for my husband and I to laugh at and enjoy together.

Unless it’s a clear AI Slop cash grab, and seems like the creators intent was to create an at least half decent show, then I’ll give it a watch.

Maybe I’m just an idiot who’s easy to please.

[EDITED - Forgot to proofread. Added comma, and cleared up my language]

[–] FukOui@lemmy.zip 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Pray tell what is the best season to start?

I only discovered star Trek due to ds9 shorts which got me into the rabbit hole

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

I’d start with TNG for sure. It sets up a lot for future series.

DS9 is fantastic, but you’d lose out on a lot of plot lines with out TNG

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

JJ abrams is responsible for what nutrek is today, all flash and no substance that KURTZMAN happily copied.

pre-disney star wars decent, but not after disney bought the franchise, and turned it intoa slop machine, and its basically just drama in space at least for the current ones.

[–] cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Soooo many great franchises got turned into slop machines with no soul and the writing of a ninth grader.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 19 hours ago

true, SG1 almost become another slopbox, good thing the showrunners dint budge on what the exects wanted for the show, which was 'broader audience"

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago
[–] kevinandmensi@piefed.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

JJ Abrams
I think you mean Jar Jar Abrams

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only good Star Wars that has dropped recently has been Zero Company.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

And before that, "Andor".

[–] OnyxRex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (25 children)

I'll die on this hill. JJ Abrams didn't ruin Star Wars. He just didn't do anything new with Star Wars. Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars. He was unwilling to yes-and any of the mystery boxes and plot threads Abrams set up in The Force Awakens and essentially ruined the entire trilogy by burning any plot that could have happened in the third film.

If nothing else, the complete disrespect to Finn's implied arc was unforgivable. That boy was going to be a Jedi.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

J. J. Abrams established that Star Wars was just a repeating formula rather than a developing story, which would be bad enough, but in order to make the formula repeat he also made it canon that everything that happened in the original trilogy was ultimately meaningless.

[–] coolie4@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If nothing else, the complete disrespect to Finn's implied arc was unforgivable. That boy was going to be a Jedi.

I must've watched all the wrong trailers because I didn't even know Rey was going to be a character.

Based on what I saw, I thought "The Force Awakens" was going to be about a disillusioned Storm Trooper who "awakens" as the new Jedi to save the galaxy. Would have been an amazing story of redemption. Instead we got... Well.. You know.

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[–] bampop@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The Force Awakens was crap but it tended to get the benefit of the doubt because there were all these mysterious threads that might be going somewhere interesting. But the problem is, JJ Abrams had no clue about where he was going with any of it. That's unforgivable. You need some idea of the story you want to tell. Or just hire a fucking writer ffs. Plenty of people know how to tell a story, JJ Abrams just isn't one of them. I don't want to let Rian Johnson off the hook but it was already on a bad trajectory before he crashed it into the ground.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

He's literally been quoted as saying he didn't realize that the MAIN LINE STAR WARS FILM was going to be PART OF A TRILOGY.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 74 points 2 days ago (64 children)
  • The very next guy to do it managed to be much worse than Abrams.
[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 33 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Debatable. Anyway, the very next guy after the very next guy managed to be infinitely worse than both. What was his name again?

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[–] Pratai@piefed.ca 29 points 2 days ago (9 children)
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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Absolutely start with the first season of Star Trek! What the fuck kind of nonsense is that? The original series is a gods damned masterpiece! Except for I, Mudd, just skip that one, it sucks.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think that was about TNG? People often say start when Riker gets his beard and then go back later if you like it.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 days ago
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I actually kinda like that Abram's Star Trek takes place in an alternate universe. In that way, it hasn't ruined anything. None of his movies are in the Prime universe.

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[–] eurodyne@piefed.world 27 points 2 days ago (20 children)

The first season of TNG has some great episodes. It’s just that several episodes are very much worth skipping.

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