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The entire NBA ecosystem seems to have unanimously decided that there's no shot for Embiid to win consecutive MVPs, especially after this year's playoffs where Embiid underperformed, while his most direct competitor established himself both as a champion, and as the top-dog in the league

But the one thing NBA has consistently proven, is that it's very tricky to predict (notwithstanding the Warriors superserum run), and there very well maybe a future where we're watching Joel Embiid hoist up that award once again come May.

So what do you guys think, realistically needs to happen with the Sixers, Embiid himself and the rest of his competition this regular season, for him to win a second MVP?

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[–] Ok-Requirement-9170@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

win. Plain and simple. His stats should translate to winning.

[–] electricHats75@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Number one seed.

[–] Silent-Frame1452@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Honestly think it’s less about his own play and more about his direct competition. He needs to be MVP caliber himself, as he has been the last couple of years, but also needs no one else to be very close, or they’ll get it over him.

[–] CanyonCoyote@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

35 and 15 while the Sixers win 60+

Anything less and it’s almost impossible. He’s gagged in the playoffs too much, injury or not, or he’s not getting past Giannis, Jokic or honestly AD, Tatum or Luka if any of them have better records. The league is all about narratives and Embiid has won and choked in the playoffs every year. Giannis and Jokic have titles and it’s more interesting to see them get into Bird and Magic land with 3 than Embiid winning a second Karl Malone MVP. Ditto Tatum giving its first MVP since Bird or Luka for his insane counting stats or AD for finally leading the Lakers with an assist from Bron.

[–] EatFoodShitPant@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

if he makes it past the 2nd round i could see him winning it again this year

[–] Top_Housing2879@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Winner is decided before playoff , you know that right?

[–] fineseries81@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

He got the fatigue vote last year and then imploded in the playoffs. That means it’s going to be an uphill battle for him to win again, and from a narrative perspective, which is a major factor in MVP voting, he is behind pretty much every other major contender for the award to start the season.

That said, 30-12-5 is a realistic stat line for Joel. If he can do something like that, and the Sixers go for 60+ wins, I think he has a realistic shot.

If the stats aren’t there, or if the Sixers aren’t at the very top of the league, I’d say he has no chance.

[–] SirThixcksAlot@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Be better than last year while having Philly as a top 2 seed. I think there’s a good chance he peaked in the regular season last year 33 Ppg on 65% TS is crazy. He also always finishes behind Jokic in advanced metrics and games played. He’ll probably have the mvp narrative go against him this season also. He would need to have an all time regular season and I don’t think that’s realistic.

[–] KarimFF7@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Cry and complain like he did last season

[–] bloodmuffins793@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Every other player in the league would have to die

[–] The_Aught@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Jokic could care less again and lets him win another charity award?

[–] dkdoki@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Cry and whine again, perk comes out and says voters are racist again if they vote jokic

[–] UnhingedSupernova@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Cry and whine again, perk comes out and says voters are racist again if they vote jokic

This won't work anymore unfortunately. This is his first and last MVP

[–] TaseenTaha@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

That’s what I’m saying.

If Kendrick can come out again and say a racial take, they’re gonna have to compensate with Embid. 😂

[–] Technical_Raise4447@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

win a title.

[–] nikop@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

He'd need to be the runaway clear choice or there's no way he's getting another one until he gets past the second round or at least shows up huge in the playoffs.

[–] thetruelobot@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Lose another million times until he finally gets another sympathy vote. Or they invent the MVP of flopping award

[–] RVAIsTheGreatest@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Embiid absolutely can win MVP again this season---the odds being stacked against him gives him the perfect MVP storyline if he can rise above obstacles in his path and lead the Sixers to a similar season as last year (over 50 wins), top 3 seed, big individual numbers while also elevating his teammates. If Harden isn't out there, that's what Embiid will have to do to win.

I do think it's possible. I don't think the playoff failure of last season will be held against him much. It never has been for Giannis and wasn't for Jokic.

[–] NotADoctor108@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Play really well

[–] AllenOneal37@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Top 2 seed similar stats. Look more in shape. Hope no other team wins 60 games.

[–] AnkitPancakes@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

would need to injure Jokic. i don't see how jokic doesn't win it as a makeup for not winning it in one of the greatest regular season performances ever (capped by a Championship+FMVP).

[–] I_Bench315@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Lead philly to a top 3 record in the league without harden while having great individual stats

[–] captaing1@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

cry harder.

[–] antipistonsandsixers@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

No chance this year. Fraud until proven otherwise.

[–] breighvehart@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Everything he did last year but a bit better and more efficiently. Despite what some in this sub might think, he absolutely deserves his mvp.

[–] Babybillybonker@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Jokic needs to tan

[–] Herbdontana@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It’ll be interesting if he improves his numbers or if the team wins more games. He could see himself fall to a different candidate in the same fashion he got it over Jokić where voter fatigue and the idea that someone who has been deserving hasn’t received it could play a big role

[–] Anvil_No26@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Show up in the playoffs… so, no chance.

[–] its_still_good@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Hope Jokic and Giannis (and Tatum and Durant and Kawhi and Curry and Lebron/Davis) get hurt.

[–] tigerpawn@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Harden dips (or never plays for Philly), Best record in the East (which will probably be best in the NBA), Top 5 in scoring, near DPOY level play, a significant bump in assists (like 1.5 to 2 apg over last year) and 70 games minimum

[–] ColdCocking@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

He has literally zero chance of repeating as MVP. He got one last year and then immediately made everyone who voted for him feel stupid. They ain't giving him another.

[–] thisisbyrdman@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Cue all the smooth brained chuds in dirty diapers posting "Emflop just needs to beg harder than last year lmao"

[–] rubbishtake@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Who cares? Can we have some basketball analysis here FFs?

[–] RiFLE_@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

With the performance he had in the playoffs, he's doomed.

Show results without flopping and free throws ?

Actually prove his defense is helping ?

Shut up and say things with the ball instead of off-court ?

[–] Ok-Driver-7446@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

His mvp was a marketing push more than anything. Impossible to repeat. He was no one’s favorite player

[–] DoloTy@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Top 5 in scoring , top record or top 3 imo without harden with good defense

[–] Critical-Adhole@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Cure cancer or land on Mars

[–] Novel_Board_6813@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I don’t think it’s that hard.

We get so attached to these pre-season narratives but, by the All Star Game, nobody will care all that much about last years’

If everybody plays like last year, with enough games, I think he will easily make the top 3. And just because it was not that clear cut among Embiid, Jokic and Giannis.

If he’s somehow clearly better than Jokic/Giannis and/or gets a better record, he’ll get the regular season award.

Basically, if he plays well enough to deserve it, I think he’ll have a pretty good shot

[–] Similar_Reach_7288@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Erase everybody's memories who watched games 6 and 7 of the Boston series. MVP may be a regular season award but the stink of that elimination in embarrassing fashion will still linger on voter's minds.

[–] PooperJackson@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

He got his pity award and won't be in contention for another.

[–] Ronshol@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Have a top 3 record with better stats than last year. It's not really that hard.

[–] dassads@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It's actually impossible, he's going to be banned from winning like Giannis was.

Sixers have to win a championship and then he'll be eligible again.

[–] SoKrat3s@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

The easiest path is if he reaches the 65 games limit and Jokic doesn't.

[–] chuckercarlson@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He won’t it was a pity vote last year as is. Philly fans moaned n cried so much they had to.

[–] OutlandishnessShot87@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

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[–] chuckercarlson@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Nah I just wanna piss Philly fans off today tbh. Gunna be talking a lot shit bout embiid leaving when Phillies lose today also to rub in the salt

[–] hackthisnsa@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Get the whole NBA media machine to lobby on his behalf again

[–] 2020IsANightmare@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Voter fatigue is a thing. No matter what anyone says.

Giannis won't win another one since the Bucks got Dame. Joker could, but there's the voter fatigue with him too. And his narrative switched as well. Murray, Porter, Gordon, etc., are all "better than anyone gives them credit for." OK. That impacts Jokic's MVP chances.

If Luka can get the Mavs to something like 52 wins dealing with World B. Flat and that shit roster, he might get MVP. Tatum will probably win one at some point.

But, overall, I think Embiid does have a legit shot. Winning two is usually the cutoff unless we're talking the best of the best ever.

[–] DrButtLump@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I think if he wins 60 games, and has a better record than the bucks, Celtics, nuggets, that would be enough to win