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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 178 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I've been saying this for a while. The real malicious actors are right there in the open, telling you what they're doing. I think people gravitate toward the clearly fake conspiracies because it helps soothe their conscience - clearly their guy is Different, you don't even have to think about it, right?

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 55 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If someone falsely accuses you of anything, assume they did that first. Investigate the accuser.

[–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Like when someone farts in a conservative household, for all you conservative readers

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

It's wild how long the Republicans have been plainly stating what their goals are, and people keep looking for alternative, easier to accept explanations.

[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It’s still crazy to me how much of the bad shit the government has done has been declassified and publicly available and people still just kind of ignore it. Who needs censorship when people are just willing to overlook reality? Or even worse, just make up nonsense.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There's also a feeling of "knowing" more than other people. You don't know about how Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla invented a time traveling aircraft carrier? Have I got some research that you need to do on your own. But if you did know about it, then it's junk meant to distract you from what's really going on.

None of that "knowledge" derives from any level of credible sources, but it does bring a certain level of superiority over people on Facebook. If it's actually well documented and widely known, then that isn't something where I get to feel better than other people.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 143 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Conspiracy theorists are only interested in the idea of a conspiracy, and lose focus when the conspiracy is found to be true.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 52 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have concepts of a conspiracy.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

That’s were all that sweet, sweet serotonin is.

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[–] frazw@lemmy.world 125 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Conspiracy theorists are not about the actual theories. They are about being special. They are smart and figured out monkeys have been influencing the course of human politics since the roman empire. *They * are the only ones who "get it" that bic biro pens have finger print scanners the CIA uses to locate disobedient citizens.

As soon as it becomes confirmed, they are no longer special, because everyone "gets it".

When they say "wake up sheeple", they wouldn't know what to do if you "woke up".

[–] Uli@sopuli.xyz 56 points 2 months ago

That's why the idea of wokeism is so repugnant to right-wing conspiracy theorists. The idea that they are the ones asleep but also there are many others who woke up before them is so counter to their own self-image that they will alter their perception of the world before they will allow such a thing to be true.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 73 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is not a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy observation.

[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The Theorying is half the fun

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

It's like that Simpsons episode where Homer joins the group to find out what happened to I think a turtle that went missing. When they found out the truth, they got upset because they couldn't theorize crazy shit anymore.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah, well. That's just, like, your theory, man.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't always agree with 4chan but when I do...

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 47 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

One statement that always works with republicans: Every accusation is an admission.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The only consistency you should expect from the right wing is that they'll consistently drop their "principles" the instant it's convenient.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 months ago

anon puts it very well

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago

Every accusation is a confession.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

They'd have to do actual research instead of conjecture.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Conspiratorial thinking starts with coming up with the conclusion and then piecing together (or manufacturing) evidence to support it.

These chodes would never start with the conclusion that one of their favorite fashy daddies did something wrong.

[–] Isa@feddit.org 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, it's only a bad thing, if the others are doing it. Didn't you know?

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Off topic:

I'm new to Lemmy so I don't know if there's a good workaround for this, but OP posted this to /c/4chan as well as /c/greentext and both came to my feed one after the other.

Am I supposed to block OP for cross posting, block one of the two communities? Both ideas seem kinda stupid.

[–] crimeschneck@feddit.nl 19 points 2 months ago

It's because OP made two separate posts and therefore uploaded the image twice so lemmy doesn't recognize it as cross-post (check the image URLs, they are different). If OP properly cross-posted it, the URL would be the same and you wouldn't see it twice in your feed.

[–] randomdeadguy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

If this is a one-time event, I would ignore & move on. If I ever see more than three posts in a row by a user, I block that user. It doesn't have to be permanent.

[–] subignition@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I usually ignore that kind of thing. If it's excessive (5+ communities) and the user does it habitually, I consider blocking.

Some frontends, like PieFed's, are smart enough to collapse crossposts into one entry, showing only the post with the most engagement.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And if the one with the most engagement has 100 posts, and the second one has 76 posts, what happens?

[–] subignition@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago

I don't know the details of how PieFed does it, but there is a button underneath whichever post is considered the 'main' one where you can view the details of other crossposts and visit them if you like.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If you think something is wrong if you see the same thing more than once, you're gonna have a bad time. Not only do things get crossposted between communities with different names, they also get crossposted between communities with the same name on different instances. Big political news often shows up a half-dozen times, or more.

TL;DR: get used to it.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I would just ignore it once or twice, I don't find it to be a big problem when browsing All. But if it becomes a repeat nuisance for you, since they seem to be two communities for basically the same thing, I would see if one is significantly more active than the other and block the less active one.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Seeing double posts is IMO not frequent enough to require mechanisms to fix it (and I can't even imagine a built-in mechanism against it).

c/greentext should be blocked because it's full of annoying fake stories, though.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

They're also gay.

It's something that the lemmy devs really ought to fix.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Scroll past the second one you see. Or if you never want to see a possible double post, then block one of the communities.

[–] So_zetta_slowpoke@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

There's no way Elon is as rich as Bezos lol. Does he claim to be the richest person in the world?

Edit: that's crazy, like literally I've never used anything Elon's companies have produced, and pretty much the whole web uses Amazon web services. Are emerald mines really that profitable? 🤣

[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think his stocks are inflated on his hype, and if you're an American your taxes have got to him through NASA.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can we try to keep the conversation separate? Despite the fact that fucking jackass owns SpaceX, they've been good for space tech. Tesla on the other hand haven't done shit that other companies haven't done better by now.

[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago

Fair enough for SpaceX, it's only doing so well because he doesn't control it.

[–] So_zetta_slowpoke@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

He seems to have a pretty heavy stake in pump & dump crypto schemes too

[–] MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Tesla isn't even in the top 10 for either cars produced or revenue. It being the highest valued car manufacturer in the world is just empty hype.

[–] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Elon funded PayPal, and they forced him out when it became successful and he wanted to change its name to X. I'm not making that up. So you likely used PayPal at some point.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 6 points 2 months ago

They're all too happy to be "drinking liberal tears." They never truly gave a shit about it, they just wanted "to win" and those perceived slights hinderd their chances at winning. Now that it's in their favor they couldn't possibly care less and if anything are happy it's happening in part because of their lust for revenge and in part because they get "to win."

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I'm shocked, did all of this happen while Brazil was banned? Goddamn I wish the japanese artists I follow left already.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

The tabloids and Congress have the same class interests as Trump and Epstein, and the cranks need the special secret knowledge to feel like special smart boys.

...speaking of special smart boys, I genuinely struggle with how people can't put these things together, and I'm definitely not one of the great minds of our time.

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Even greentext is a US presidential campaign now.

I think, it's time to take a break from lemmy till December.

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